From gbnewby at pglaf.org Sun Oct 31 13:40:24 2004 From: gbnewby at pglaf.org (Greg Newby) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:40:24 -0800 Subject: [glibrary] Seeking Strindberg in Grove Press Message-ID: <20041031214024.GB18506@pglaf.org> Per the extensive discussion below: We're seeking a printed edition of this title: Author: August Strindberg Translator: Graham Rawson Publisher: Grove Press (NY) Date: 1960 To compare to this: http://gutenberg.net/etext05/8rddm10.txt (or 10h.htm) A scan/photocopy of the title page & verso would also help. Can anyone on glibrary find this item? Thanks!!! Greg ----- Forwarded message from John Mark Ockerbloom ----- From: John Mark Ockerbloom To: Project Gutenberg Postings Announcements Subject: Re: [posted] Posted (#8875, Strindberg) ! Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:53:04 -0400 Delivered-To: gbnewby at pglaf.org Delivered-To: posted at lists.pglaf.org Organization: University of Pennsylvania User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040809 In-Reply-To: <20041023200740.GE23561 at pglaf.org> Precedence: list Reply-To: Project Gutenberg Postings Announcements Errors-To: posted-bounces at lists.pglaf.org I still don't see how the book below clears. Discussion below: Greg Newby wrote: >On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 05:48:36PM -0400, David Widger wrote: >>At 05:02 PM 10/19/2004, John Mark Ockerbloom wrote: >>>David Widger wrote: >>>>Sep 2005 The Road to Damascus, by August Strindberg >>>>[?rddmxxx.xxx] 8875 >>> >>>According to WorldCat, this was first published in 1939, and appears to >>>have >>>had its first publication abroad. Which would suggest that it's now under >>>copyright in the US (unless the translator, Graham Rawson, died young, or >>>there actually was a US edition in 1939 as well). >>> >>>Does someone have information on how it cleared? (I'm aware of the 1960 >>>Grove Press edition, but that's both pre-GATT and way after the first UK >>>edition.) >>Here is the clearance line. >> >>gbn0306071904: August Strindberg, The Road to Damascus. Nicole Apostola >>>ola at yahoo.com>. 1958p. 6/12/2003. ok under rule 7. > > >"Rule 7" was a non-starter, since the US doesn't have a "Rule >of the Shorter Term." My mistake. > >The question is whether the text we have matches the Grove Press >1960 edition (I'll be good money that it does, but did not >do a comparison). Then, whether the Grove Press edition clears >under Rule 5 (pre-1989, no copyright notice). Again, I'll bet >good money, but did not check. Unfortunately, I don't think that would suffice to clear the book. The Grove Press edition was not the first edition, but is presumably based on the first edition of 1939. Since *that* edition appears to have been first published abroad, it is probably eligible for restored copyright under the GATT copyright restorations (which covers books of non-US origin that were published without the proper formalities, such as copyright notice and renewal.) And if the 1939 book is now under copyright, so is Grove's 1960 reprint. For the 1939 book not to have been restored to copyright, at least one of these things must be true: -- The book was simultaneously (or within 30 days) published in the US (but the WorldCat entry for the first edition only says "London: J. Cape, 1939") -- There was an earlier edition published in the US (but WorldCat doesn't show a US edition prior to the 1960 Grove edition) -- The translator, Graham Rawson, died before 1926, 70 years prior to the 1996 GATT restorations, or was an American citizen and resident. (But the LC authority file equates Graham Rawson with Graham Stanhope Rawson, born 1890. A finding aid at http://www.library.rdg.ac.uk/colls/special/rawson.html notes that Ivy Marion Enthoven married dramatist Graham Stanhope Rawson in 1930, who would appear to be our man, still alive and well then. Furthermore, the short bio mentions her work in England during the 1920s and 1930s-- and doesn't mention any emigration afterwards either-- so he was likely there too. And we already know that his translation was both first performed in London-- the introduction mentions a London debut in 1937-- and was apparently first published in London in 1939.) Unless one of these propositions can be established, which doesn't look very likely to me at this point, it would appear that the Gutenberg translation is still under copyright in the US. John Mark Ockerbloom ----- End forwarded message ----- From superman at umich.edu Sun Oct 31 14:21:12 2004 From: superman at umich.edu (David Carter) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:21:12 -0400 Subject: [glibrary] Seeking Strindberg in Grove Press In-Reply-To: <20041031214024.GB18506@pglaf.org> Message-ID: Holdings info from WorldCat: Title: The road to Damascus, a trilogy. Author(s): Strindberg, August, 1849-1912.?; Rawson, Graham,; b. 1890.? Publication: New York, Grove Press Edition: 1st Grove Press ed. Year: 1960 Description: 285 p. 21 cm. Language: English Series: Evergreen original ;; E-227; Standard No: LCCN: 60-9013 Note(s): Translation of Till Damaskus. Class Descriptors: LC: PT9813.T5; Dewey: 839.726 Other Titles: Till Damaskus. English Responsibility: English version by Graham Rawson, with an introduction by Gunnar Oll?n. 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??WI UNIV OF WISCONSIN, MADISON, GEN LIBR SYS GZM?? ??WI UNIV OF WISCONSIN, STEVENS POINT WIS?? ??AB UNIV OF CALGARY LIBR UAU?? ??ON YORK UNIV LIBR YOU?? ??AS NANJING UNIV LIBR X8I?? on 10/31/04 5:40 PM, Greg Newby at gbnewby at pglaf.org wrote: > Per the extensive discussion below: > > We're seeking a printed edition of this title: > > Author: August Strindberg > Translator: Graham Rawson > Publisher: Grove Press (NY) > Date: 1960 > > To compare to this: > http://gutenberg.net/etext05/8rddm10.txt (or 10h.htm) > > A scan/photocopy of the title page & verso would also help. > > Can anyone on glibrary find this item? > > Thanks!!! Greg > > ----- Forwarded message from John Mark Ockerbloom > ----- > > From: John Mark Ockerbloom > To: Project Gutenberg Postings Announcements > Subject: Re: [posted] Posted (#8875, Strindberg) ! > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:53:04 -0400 > Delivered-To: gbnewby at pglaf.org > Delivered-To: posted at lists.pglaf.org > Organization: University of Pennsylvania > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040809 > In-Reply-To: <20041023200740.GE23561 at pglaf.org> > Precedence: list > Reply-To: Project Gutenberg Postings Announcements > Errors-To: posted-bounces at lists.pglaf.org > > I still don't see how the book below clears. Discussion below: > > Greg Newby wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 05:48:36PM -0400, David Widger wrote: >>> At 05:02 PM 10/19/2004, John Mark Ockerbloom wrote: >>>> David Widger wrote: >>>>> Sep 2005 The Road to Damascus, by August Strindberg >>>>> [?rddmxxx.xxx] 8875 >>>> >>>> According to WorldCat, this was first published in 1939, and appears to >>>> have >>>> had its first publication abroad. Which would suggest that it's now under >>>> copyright in the US (unless the translator, Graham Rawson, died young, or >>>> there actually was a US edition in 1939 as well). >>>> >>>> Does someone have information on how it cleared? (I'm aware of the 1960 >>>> Grove Press edition, but that's both pre-GATT and way after the first UK >>>> edition.) > >>> Here is the clearance line. >>> >>> gbn0306071904: August Strindberg, The Road to Damascus. Nicole Apostola >>> >> ola at yahoo.com>. 1958p. 6/12/2003. ok under rule 7. >> >> >> "Rule 7" was a non-starter, since the US doesn't have a "Rule >> of the Shorter Term." My mistake. >> >> The question is whether the text we have matches the Grove Press >> 1960 edition (I'll be good money that it does, but did not >> do a comparison). Then, whether the Grove Press edition clears >> under Rule 5 (pre-1989, no copyright notice). Again, I'll bet >> good money, but did not check. > > Unfortunately, I don't think that would suffice to clear the book. > The Grove Press edition was not the first edition, but is presumably > based on the first edition of 1939. Since *that* edition appears to have > been first published abroad, it is probably eligible for restored > copyright under the GATT copyright restorations (which covers books > of non-US origin that were published without the proper formalities, such > as copyright notice and renewal.) And if the 1939 book is now under > copyright, > so is Grove's 1960 reprint. > > For the 1939 book not to have been restored to copyright, at least one > of these things must be true: > > -- The book was simultaneously (or within 30 days) published in the US > (but the WorldCat entry for the first edition only says > "London: J. Cape, 1939") > -- There was an earlier edition published in the US > (but WorldCat doesn't show a US edition prior to the 1960 Grove > edition) > -- The translator, Graham Rawson, died before 1926, 70 years prior to the > 1996 GATT restorations, or was an American citizen and resident. > (But the LC authority file equates > Graham Rawson with Graham Stanhope Rawson, born 1890. A finding > aid at > http://www.library.rdg.ac.uk/colls/special/rawson.html notes that > Ivy Marion Enthoven married dramatist Graham Stanhope Rawson in 1930, > who would appear to be our man, still alive and well then. > Furthermore, the short bio mentions her work in England during > the 1920s and 1930s-- and doesn't mention any emigration > afterwards either-- so he was likely there too. And we already > know that his translation was both first performed in London-- > the introduction mentions a London debut in 1937-- and was > apparently first published in London in 1939.) > > Unless one of these propositions can be established, which doesn't look > very likely to me at this point, it would appear that the Gutenberg > translation is still under copyright in the US. > > John Mark Ockerbloom > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > _______________________________________________ > glibrary mailing list > glibrary at lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/glibrary --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David S. Carter superman at umich.edu | 2321A Duderstadt Ctr Electrical Engin. & Computer Sci. Liaison Librarian | 2281 Bonisteel Blvd Art, Architecture & Engineering Library | Ann Arbor MI 48109 University of Michigan | 734 615-7158 (vox) http://www.lib.umich.edu/aael/ | 734 764-4487 (fax)