[glibrary] Seeking Strindberg in Grove Press
David Carter
superman at umich.edu
Sun Oct 31 14:21:12 PST 2004
Holdings info from WorldCat:
Title:
The road to Damascus,
a trilogy.
Author(s):
Strindberg, August, 1849-1912. ; Rawson, Graham,; b. 1890.
Publication:
New York, Grove Press
Edition: 1st Grove Press ed.
Year:
1960
Description:
285 p. 21 cm.
Language:
English
Series:
Evergreen original ;; E-227;
Standard No:
LCCN: 60-9013
Note(s):
Translation of Till Damaskus.
Class Descriptors:
LC: PT9813.T5; Dewey: 839.726
Other Titles:
Till Damaskus. English
Responsibility:
English version by Graham Rawson, with an introduction by Gunnar Ollén.
Document Type:
Book
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on 10/31/04 5:40 PM, Greg Newby at gbnewby at pglaf.org wrote:
> Per the extensive discussion below:
>
> We're seeking a printed edition of this title:
>
> Author: August Strindberg
> Translator: Graham Rawson
> Publisher: Grove Press (NY)
> Date: 1960
>
> To compare to this:
> http://gutenberg.net/etext05/8rddm10.txt (or 10h.htm)
>
> A scan/photocopy of the title page & verso would also help.
>
> Can anyone on glibrary find this item?
>
> Thanks!!! Greg
>
> ----- Forwarded message from John Mark Ockerbloom <ockerblo at pobox.upenn.edu>
> -----
>
> From: John Mark Ockerbloom <ockerblo at pobox.upenn.edu>
> To: Project Gutenberg Postings Announcements <posted at lists.pglaf.org>
> Subject: Re: [posted] Posted (#8875, Strindberg) !
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:53:04 -0400
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>
> I still don't see how the book below clears. Discussion below:
>
> Greg Newby wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 05:48:36PM -0400, David Widger wrote:
>>> At 05:02 PM 10/19/2004, John Mark Ockerbloom wrote:
>>>> David Widger wrote:
>>>>> Sep 2005 The Road to Damascus, by August Strindberg
>>>>> [?rddmxxx.xxx] 8875
>>>>
>>>> According to WorldCat, this was first published in 1939, and appears to
>>>> have
>>>> had its first publication abroad. Which would suggest that it's now under
>>>> copyright in the US (unless the translator, Graham Rawson, died young, or
>>>> there actually was a US edition in 1939 as well).
>>>>
>>>> Does someone have information on how it cleared? (I'm aware of the 1960
>>>> Grove Press edition, but that's both pre-GATT and way after the first UK
>>>> edition.)
>
>>> Here is the clearance line.
>>>
>>> gbn0306071904: August Strindberg, The Road to Damascus. Nicole Apostola
>>> <napost
>>> ola at yahoo.com>. 1958p. 6/12/2003. ok under rule 7.
>>
>>
>> "Rule 7" was a non-starter, since the US doesn't have a "Rule
>> of the Shorter Term." My mistake.
>>
>> The question is whether the text we have matches the Grove Press
>> 1960 edition (I'll be good money that it does, but did not
>> do a comparison). Then, whether the Grove Press edition clears
>> under Rule 5 (pre-1989, no copyright notice). Again, I'll bet
>> good money, but did not check.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't think that would suffice to clear the book.
> The Grove Press edition was not the first edition, but is presumably
> based on the first edition of 1939. Since *that* edition appears to have
> been first published abroad, it is probably eligible for restored
> copyright under the GATT copyright restorations (which covers books
> of non-US origin that were published without the proper formalities, such
> as copyright notice and renewal.) And if the 1939 book is now under
> copyright,
> so is Grove's 1960 reprint.
>
> For the 1939 book not to have been restored to copyright, at least one
> of these things must be true:
>
> -- The book was simultaneously (or within 30 days) published in the US
> (but the WorldCat entry for the first edition only says
> "London: J. Cape, 1939")
> -- There was an earlier edition published in the US
> (but WorldCat doesn't show a US edition prior to the 1960 Grove
> edition)
> -- The translator, Graham Rawson, died before 1926, 70 years prior to the
> 1996 GATT restorations, or was an American citizen and resident.
> (But the LC authority file equates
> Graham Rawson with Graham Stanhope Rawson, born 1890. A finding
> aid at
> http://www.library.rdg.ac.uk/colls/special/rawson.html notes that
> Ivy Marion Enthoven married dramatist Graham Stanhope Rawson in 1930,
> who would appear to be our man, still alive and well then.
> Furthermore, the short bio mentions her work in England during
> the 1920s and 1930s-- and doesn't mention any emigration
> afterwards either-- so he was likely there too. And we already
> know that his translation was both first performed in London--
> the introduction mentions a London debut in 1937-- and was
> apparently first published in London in 1939.)
>
> Unless one of these propositions can be established, which doesn't look
> very likely to me at this point, it would appear that the Gutenberg
> translation is still under copyright in the US.
>
> John Mark Ockerbloom
>
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