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Re: [gutvol-d] A layman's critique of PGTEI
by Joshua Hutchinson 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

I used the online converter. I'm baby-stepping my way into this. Marcello's converter was the easiest starting point for me. I didn't check into any closer, but it looks like there is a link to a .zip file containing Marcello's XSLT stylesheets. Any I don't think we all reinventing the wheel... Other than Marcello's stuff, I don't see ANY body's wheel out there. I'm working with what I have available. I figure if a TEI newb like me can get something working reliably, we're getting somewhere. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: "David A. Desrosiers" <hacker(a)gnu-designs.com> To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] A layman's critique of PGTEI Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:04:10 -0400 (EDT) > > > > First of all, please take this as it is intended, namely my experiences > > while attempting to convert a short and sweet text to the PGTEI format > > found here (http://www.gutenberg.org/tei/) It is my hope that this > > will lead to some improvements in the process. > > I went through every link there, and could not find a reference to > download any sort of tool or set of tools that purports to convert the TEI > format to other formats. Where did you find the converter to use locally? > > The docs link to an "online" converter, which no longer exists at > that link, apparently. This one is dead: > > http://www.gutenberg.net/testing/gnutenberg/tei-online.php > > This one (linked from the front page) is not: > > http://www.gutenberg.org/tei/services/tei-online > > I don't see where the code to this online converter, or any > converter that works with TEI for that matter, is documented, referenced, > or linked to. Did I miss the link on one of the other pages? It looks like > we're all back to square one... reinventing all of our own wheels from > scratch. > > > David A. Desrosiers > desrod(a)gnu-designs.com > http://gnu-designs.com > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d >

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re: [gutvol-d] A layman's critique of PGTEI
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

joshua said: > My next experiment will choose a text > with some other stuff like poetry in it, > so that I can see what more complexity > does to the whole process. when you have worked your way up to it, i suggest you do the test-suite i created. when you can mark _that_ up in a way that makes everyone here happy, you'll have gone a long way towards meeting jim's criteria... and when you can convert it to all formats, you will have gone _all_ the way... (of course, that still won't get the e-texts actually marked up, but that's minor, right?) -bowerbird

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Re: [gutvol-d] re: coming to michael doorstep with hat in hand
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

In a message dated 10/20/2004 7:12:28 PM Mountain Standard Time, hacker(a)gnu-designs.com writes: Every bridge has its troll. So where are the billy goats gruff? THEY know how to deal with trolls. Anne

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Re: [gutvol-d] jeroen's even-handed analysis
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

In a message dated 10/20/2004 6:58:19 PM Mountain Standard Time, joshua(a)hutchinson.net writes: Anyways, no one is trying to chase you away. Please come back out to play! Thank you. I continue to think that PG is one of the most important weapons of freedom, and if that is naive, so be it. Anne

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re: Re: [gutvol-d] re: coming to michael doorstep with hat in hand
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

the hacker said: > Every bridge has its troll. you're now a full-fledged member of the group, david. _welcome_... -bowerbird

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re: poor little victim
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

joshua said: > You're the poor little victim of us big mean bullies! i'm no "poor little victim". i am the one toying with all of you. i wasn't "complaining" about marcello's badgering -- i find it amusing he shoots himself in the foot, and the last thing i will do is go whining to a moderator -- i was simply remarking on it as a mere observation, confident that an objective outsider would share it... your little circle of friends deludes itself if y'all think that the lurkers can't see that... -bowerbird

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re: Re: [gutvol-d] press releases and puke on a reporter's shoes
by Joshua Hutchinson 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

----- Original Message ----- From: Bowerbird(a)aol.com > > marcello said: > > I think everybody who thinks that > > you'll ever be _serious_ is really stupid. > > and i think any reasonable outsider reading these threads > will be able to clearly see that i contribute a lot of thought, > while all you do here is come on and badger me continuously. > Yep ... That's why *so* many people have been jumping to your defense lately! You're the poor little victim of us big mean bullies! Josh

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Re: [gutvol-d] Re: barriers to XML posting
by Joshua Hutchinson 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

Honestly, I see an easy compromise here. As long as a conformant TEXT file and a conformant HTML file show up with the XML file, I say post all three. Granted, right now we don't have a method for the WW'ers to verify the XML file is valid, so if you want to put a disclaimer to that effect in the file ... fine. But this way, the XML folks can get the catalog of texts they want and the process will be able to make incremental steps forward. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl Eichwalder <ke(a)gnu.franken.de> To: gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org Subject: [gutvol-d] Re: barriers to XML posting Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:21:54 +0200 > > Greg Newby <gbnewby(a)pglaf.org> writes: > > > Your claim that we need to start posting more stuff in > > XML in order to achieve the ** goal above does not make sense > > to me. I do not see the logic. > > I am very interested in XML files. Please post them even if they look > useless to you. > > -- > | ,__o > | _-\_<, > http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | (*)/'(*) > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d >

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re: Re: [gutvol-d] press releases and puke on a reporter's shoes
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

marcello said: > I think everybody who thinks that > you'll ever be _serious_ is really stupid. and i think any reasonable outsider reading these threads will be able to clearly see that i contribute a lot of thought, while all you do here is come on and badger me continuously. -bowerbird

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POD update.
by Norm Wolcott 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

This is probably of most interest to DP'ers, but this is the only discussion site. Recently several new self publishing sites have emerged with zero up front publishing costs. Two I have looked at are www.lulu.com and www.cafepress.com There are 2 jules verne books on Cafe. Costs are $7 + .03/page for Cafe and $4 + .02/page for Lulu. Print resoloution, gray scale images not covered in the web sites. These prices are comparable to xerox costs. I checked out the shipping it was $4 flat on cafe, and 2.46 media mail from Lulu for a 8 1/2 by 11 300 p book. Journey to the Interior of the earth was 300 pages, so it might include some illustrations. No preview was available. Might be on Amazon.com, says Boulder Pier Press. Check back withme if you get any more info on these or better no cost upfront services. nwolcott2(a)post.harvard.edu Friar Wolcott, Gutenberg Abbey, Sherwood Forrest

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