November 2005 - gutvol-d - lists.pglaf.org

Re: gutvol-d Digest, Vol 14, Issue 64
by Wallace J.McLean 24 Nov '05

24 Nov '05

The law binds people, not books. You are bound by the laws of the country where you is. The laws of your country will tell you how they apply themselves to works, wherever in the world they were published or created. Jonathan Ingram is in the UK, and bound by UK law. I'm in Canada and bound by Canadian law. The books I contribute to PG in the US have to satisfy US law, but to be safe, I also make sure they are PD under Canadian law, too. I'm chomping at the bit to be able to do other books which only have to jump through the PD-Canada hoop, and not the US law as well.... The 70 years reference, in the UK, means years post mortem autoris. In Canada, the figure is 50 years. (There are other wrinkles in both countries, like R Copyright, posthumous publication, anonymous and pseudonymous, joint authors; and in the UK, edition copyright -- that's the copyright the UK publisher claims, aka "typographical arrangements".) Summary: Copyright laws bind people, not books. ----- Original Message ----- >From Rod Butcher <rbutcher(a)hyenainternet.com> Date Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:35:20 +1000 To Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> Subject Re: [gutvol-d] Felix Holt copyright ? Can I get some clarification : I have read the copyright FAQ. Most of the books we deal with here in Australia were printed in the UK. Do the rules apply everywhere, in the country where I am or the country where the book was published ? Jonathan Ingram's post seems to indicate the latter i.e. all books he considers for scanning where he is (UK) must be elligible under UK law, irrespective of where they were published. Hence they have to have been published (effectively printed) more than 70 years ago, no matter where they were published. Correct ? I'm still faced with wondering how Wordsworth Classics UK can claim a "presentation of text format" copyright on books whereas Penguin Classics doesn't. Today's Topics: 1. re: on the issue of hand-crafted versus computer-generated .html versions (Jared Buck) 2. re: on the issue of hand-crafted versus computer-generated .html versions (Bowerbird(a)aol.com) 3. re: A Picture Says More Than 10,000 Words (Bowerbird(a)aol.com) 4. Re: Posting for List (Jared Buck) 5. re: on the issue of hand-crafted versus computer-generated .html versions (Bowerbird(a)aol.com) 6. Re: on the issue of hand-crafted versus computer-generated .html versions (Marcello Perathoner) 7. Re: Felix Holt copyright ? (Bruce Albrecht) 8. Re: Felix Holt copyright ? (Rod Butcher) _______________________________________________ gutvol-d mailing list gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d

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Re: !@!Re: [BP] Google Print vs. The Open Library vs. Project Gutenberg
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 23 Nov '05

23 Nov '05

In a message dated 11/22/2005 4:42:07 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, hart(a)pglaf.org writes: I can only hope there is something WE can do to keep these ideals-- such as they are--alive and thriving so WE can have our own eBooks, or own eLibraries, the way WE want them. Everybody's "gonna" do powerful things but they don't. Meanwhile we could run PGLAF for a hundred years with what they're frittering away. After checking out the Open Library site, I sent it a "nastygram."Their plan is unworkable. Their security is nonexistent. It would take them about a thousand years to save five thousand books the way they save now, and I don't know anybody that can spare six gb for ONE book. Forget the pretty. Most people want the words. Gaaahhh. Anne

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Re: [gutvol-d] [Press Release] OSoft Partners with OpenReader
by Joshua Hutchinson 23 Nov '05

23 Nov '05

It definitely looks like it is the closest out there to a fully compliant .oeb document type. Perhaps I'm getting caught up on quibbles. *shrug* Well, like I said, I'm no expert. Happy reading, Anne! Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Gutenberg9443(a)aol.com To: gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] [Press Release] OSoft Partners with OpenReader Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:04:38 EST > > In a message dated 11/23/2005 10:54:03 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > joshua(a)hutchinson.net writes: > > It looks like eBookwise uses the .imp format, which is somewhat similar to > .oeb format, but isn't quite the same. More of a subset, maybe? (I may be > misunderstanding that part) > I just got this from the eBookwise site, which sells only books to use on > its reader. Fictionwise sells .rbs, which will work on eBook readers. So yes, > it > is IMP, but it seems to be saying that it is OEBFF and IMP. > > > > > > 4 Reader Ratings: Great Good OK Poor > Available eBook Formats [Secure - _What's this?_ > (http://www.ebookwise.com/servlet/mw;jsessionid=-QjhwDRmwPCcLqmB23BUrkGQkDY?… > ) ]: OEBFF Format (IMP) [1.8 MB] > All formats: Printing DISABLED, Read-aloud DISABLED > > > > > > > Blackmask now calls this format EB-1150. > > I dunno. All I care about is, can I read this book on equipment I have > without having to sit at my desk to do it. > > Anne > > > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d

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Re: [gutvol-d] [Press Release] OSoft Partners with OpenReader
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 23 Nov '05

23 Nov '05

In a message dated 11/23/2005 10:54:03 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, joshua(a)hutchinson.net writes: It looks like eBookwise uses the .imp format, which is somewhat similar to .oeb format, but isn't quite the same. More of a subset, maybe? (I may be misunderstanding that part) I just got this from the eBookwise site, which sells only books to use on its reader. Fictionwise sells .rbs, which will work on eBook readers. So yes, it is IMP, but it seems to be saying that it is OEBFF and IMP. 4 Reader Ratings: Great Good OK Poor Available eBook Formats [Secure - _What's this?_ (http://www.ebookwise.com/servlet/mw;jsessionid=-QjhwDRmwPCcLqmB23BUrkGQkDY?… ) ]: OEBFF Format (IMP) [1.8 MB] All formats: Printing DISABLED, Read-aloud DISABLED Blackmask now calls this format EB-1150. I dunno. All I care about is, can I read this book on equipment I have without having to sit at my desk to do it. Anne

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Re: [gutvol-d] More news from the guys that brought us DRM ...
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 23 Nov '05

23 Nov '05

In a message dated 11/23/2005 8:17:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, marcello(a)perathoner.de writes: >In related news, RIAA president Cary Sherman congratulated Warner for >its ethical behaviour in agreeing to stop bribing radio stations. Ye gods and little fishes. This system was supposed to have stopped back in 1963, when my husband was a radio announcer. (No, this was not T; my husband at that time was Fred; and even Fred wouldn't accept payola.) Anne

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Re: [gutvol-d] [Press Release] OSoft Partners with OpenReader
by Joshua Hutchinson 23 Nov '05

23 Nov '05

I admit to not being an expert in this area, so I could be misunderstanding this. ... but ... It looks like eBookwise uses the .imp format, which is somewhat similar to .oeb format, but isn't quite the same. More of a subset, maybe? (I may be misunderstanding that part) I didn't check the Fictionwise site as closely, so it may be that they support the .oeb format there, though. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Gutenberg9443(a)aol.com To: gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] [Press Release] OSoft Partners with OpenReader Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:37:05 EST > > > In a message dated 11/22/2005 3:07:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > joshua(a)hutchinson.net writes: > > Actually, Anne, if you can rush and buy ANY eBook in that format a year from > now, I'll be mildly surprised. Not flabbergasted, but surprised. > > > > I buy them very frequently from Fictionwise and eBookwise. eBookwise > continues to sell the device. I don't think they're going to quit using that > format > any time soon. I would tell you I'd let you know next year, but I'll > probably forget to do it. > > Anne > > > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d

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Re: [gutvol-d] [Press Release] OSoft Partners with OpenReader
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 23 Nov '05

23 Nov '05

In a message dated 11/22/2005 3:07:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, joshua(a)hutchinson.net writes: Actually, Anne, if you can rush and buy ANY eBook in that format a year from now, I'll be mildly surprised. Not flabbergasted, but surprised. I buy them very frequently from Fictionwise and eBookwise. eBookwise continues to sell the device. I don't think they're going to quit using that format any time soon. I would tell you I'd let you know next year, but I'll probably forget to do it. Anne

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Re: [gutvol-d] [Press Release] OSoft Partners with OpenReader
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 23 Nov '05

23 Nov '05

In a message dated 11/22/2005 2:46:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, joey(a)joeysmith.com writes: (N.B.: I don't know OEBPS or OEBFF, I was just trying to provide a metaphor for what I understood Lee to be saying above.) Thank you for the metaphor, which is a good one. All I need to know is that it is useful now and is going to get a lot more useful. Anne

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More news from the guys that brought us DRM ...
by Marcello Perathoner 23 Nov '05

23 Nov '05

... because the consumers are dishonest. "Attorney General Eliot Spitzer today announced the second settlement in the music industry’s "pay-for-play" probe. Warner Music Group Corp., the third largest record company in the United States, has agreed to abandon the industry-wide practice of providing radio stations and their employees with financial incentives and promotional items in exchange for "airplay" for Warner’s recordings. [...] The financial benefits provided in exchange for airplay, also known as "payola," took several forms: • Direct bribes to radio programmers, including airfare, electronics, tickets to premier sporting events and concerts; • Payments to radio stations to cover operational expenses; • Radio contest giveaways for stations' listening audiences, including flyaways, concert tickets, iPods, gift certificates and gift cards; • Hiring independent promoters to act as conduits for illegal payments to radio stations; • Purchasing "spin programs" to artificially increase the airplay of particular recordings. The Assurance of Discontinuance summarizing the Attorney General's findings alleges that the illegal payoffs for airplay were designed to manipulate record charts, generate consumer interest in records and increase sales." -- http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2005/nov/nov22a_05.html In related news, RIAA president Cary Sherman congratulated Warner for its ethical behaviour in agreeing to stop bribing radio stations. -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster(a)gutenberg.org

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Re: [gutvol-d] [Press Release] OSoft Partners with OpenReader
by Joshua Hutchinson 22 Nov '05

22 Nov '05

----- Original Message ----- From: Gutenberg9443(a)aol.com > > You have made me very happy. My eBookwise Reader reads OEBFF and so does my > husband's, which is en route to us now. So apparently we are not going to have > to rush out a year from now and replace them. > > Thanks for the info. > > Anne Actually, Anne, if you can rush and buy ANY eBook in that format a year from now, I'll be mildly surprised. Not flabbergasted, but surprised. Josh

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