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re: [gutvol-d] New Copyright law
by Tom Day 20 Apr '05

20 Apr '05

I'm new to all this...is there some well-established reason why you seem to hate everyone on this list so much, and yet continue to subscribe to it? If I'm missing something obvious (I mean, I know there are people who are just born that way) then I apologise. --- Bowerbird(a)aol.com wrote: > dave said: > > It has not a jot of impact on PG > > right. > > > > It does show a general attitude of clampdown, > but > > I think we were all already well aware of that > > pervasive attitude in virtually all governmental > bodies these days. > > so we ignore, and then shrug off, evil because it > has become "pervasive"? > > "first they came for ___, but i did nothing because > i wasn't ___..." > > some people can't see the forest for the trees. > other people can't see the forest > because they won't look past the end of their > nose... > > -bowerbird > > p.s. and in the future, nobody will be able to see > the trees > because the corporations chopped 'em all down while > we were > busy nailing our eyes shut so we wouldn't see > anything "pervasive"... > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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re: [gutvol-d] New Copyright law
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 20 Apr '05

20 Apr '05

dave said: > It has not a jot of impact on PG right. > It does show a general attitude of clampdown, but > I think we were all already well aware of that > pervasive attitude in virtually all governmental bodies these days. so we ignore, and then shrug off, evil because it has become "pervasive"? "first they came for ___, but i did nothing because i wasn't ___..." some people can't see the forest for the trees. other people can't see the forest because they won't look past the end of their nose... -bowerbird p.s. and in the future, nobody will be able to see the trees because the corporations chopped 'em all down while we were busy nailing our eyes shut so we wouldn't see anything "pervasive"...

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New Copyright law
by N Wolcott 20 Apr '05

20 Apr '05

What is the impactof the new copyright passed by the house yesterday on the likes of PG, Ockerbloom, and other sites, not to mention the minions. ??? N Wolcott nwolcott2(a)post.harvard.edu

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Re: [gutvol-d] Questions on PG and other ebooks
by Joshua Hutchinson 20 Apr '05

20 Apr '05

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hart" <hart(a)pglaf.org> > > Why use this kind of reasoning to keep these books from seeing > the light of day? > It is the difference between the ideal and the practical. Ideally, we could post the incomplete texts and someone would notice the missing pages, find them and add them. In practice, once it is posted, it takes an act of god for further updates to occur. At DP, we have a pretty good number of books that get fixed this way. Once it is posted, that number would virtually disappear. Josh

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Re: [gutvol-d] Questions on PG and other ebooks
by Jonathan Ingram 20 Apr '05

20 Apr '05

The current weekly announcement contains the following: > We have been invited to peruse the various eBook collections > of the Internet Archive for potential Project Gutenberg eBooks. > > http://www.archive.org > > Don't worry, many of the numbers listed are out of date, > but you should get all the files when you pass through > to the original sites. People on gutvol-d might be interested to know that at DP we're moving through a particular Internet Archive collection -- the Canadian Libraries archive -- in a relatively organised fashion. Those of you who are already signed up to DP can follow the progress of this by looking at the appropriate thread in our 'Providing Content' forum. For a summary of our progress, see here: http://tinyurl.com/77rj4 Incidentally, this also provides a nice summary of all the content of this particular Internet Archive collection. As you can see, we're making good progress, particularly on the English language texts. If any of you are already working on any of these texts outside DP, please post a reply to the DP thread, and I will update the information page to reflect the fact. This will avoid more than one volunteer working on the same text. -- Jon Ingram __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [gutvol-d] Questions on GP and other ebooks
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 17 Apr '05

17 Apr '05

In a message dated 4/17/2005 5:59:55 AM Mountain Standard Time, cweyant(a)twcny.rr.com writes: Ben Bradley wrote: > > And a third: I just came across yet another copyrighted book online. > All such books I've seen on the web are apparently put online legally by > the author or with the author's permission. Unfortunately, that is not correct. An incredible number of pirated books, reasonably old or brand new, show up online. PG tries its best to avoid this practice, and I THINK all the in-copyright books on PG are legal, but other than that, the only way to be sure you're getting legal books is to go to the author's or copyright owner's Website or to go to a commercial ebook distributor such as FictionWise. BTW, a copyrighted book on which I own the copyright showed up on a commercial site three days after it was legally posted on PG. Anne Do you like to breathe? Then save the trees! Begin a personal relationship with an ebook TODAY!

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Re: [gutvol-d] do you realize what this means?
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 15 Apr '05

15 Apr '05

In a message dated 4/15/2005 1:10:47 AM Mountain Standard Time, Bowerbird(a)aol.com writes: no, of course you don't. Yes. It means you almost certainly have Asperger's Disorder. Get in touch with a psychiatrist specializing in forms of autism and arrange to be evaluated for it. Unfortunately there's no cure for it, which is why I seem to wind up in so many flame wars that I never MEANT to get into, but once you know you have it you can occasionally remember to ask yourself, "Do I really want to say this, or does Asperger's want to say this?" Of course you MIGHT have paranoia with or without schizophrenia, or schizophrenia with or without paranoia, or you MIGHT have bipolar depression, but it's really hard to believe that you could succeed in being this obnoxious without SOME kind of mental illness. It definitely looks to me like autism or a related personality disorder, though. By the way, I OWN an e-publishing house. I distribute on FictionWise.com and on eBookWise.com, and I DON'T republish anything from Gutenberg. I feel very strongly that selling something that is easily available free is counterproductive and somewhat dishonest. I did post one thing on Gutenberg several years ago, with a note that it was copyright and could be used only for nonprofit purposes. That one I have now posted for sale, but I already owned the copyright. Ebooks are like videos: you can buy them, or rent them, or check them out from a library for free. You're seeing a war where there isn't one. Television didn't kill radio. Videos and, now, DVDs didn't kill television. E-book stores aren't going to kill Gutenberg. Your thinking is much too narrow; that's another reason I'm suspecting autism of some sort. That is all I have to say on this topic. I just came on to check emails. I have pneumonia and I am going back to bed now. Now go away until after you've seen a good psychiatrist. As it might take several months for you to get in, and then another six months before the psychiatrist is able to figure out what combination of meds will help you the most (I changed meds every two weeks for eight months), everybody else can have a nice long rest. Anne Do you like to breathe? Then save the trees! Begin a personal relationship with an ebook TODAY!

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re: [gutvol-d] do you realize what this means?
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 15 Apr '05

15 Apr '05

brandon said: > How is this a bad thing? um, are you so naive as to "what this means" that you think i believe it to be "a bad thing"? that's kind of sad, in a humorous type of way... :+) *** dave said: > Why well, i fully understand your impulse to strike out at me. i've questioned your competence and intelligence, again, and that's never a nice thing to hear. the reason i do it anyway is because _i_care_ about electronic-books, and those of us who care about e-books and who _do_ realize what's up need to tell you to take your head out of your ass. but you are right in that i don't think enough of you to do any more than that, not any longer, does that surprise you? will this turn into another long flamewar? not a chance. with progress moving so fast, i can't waste my time here. just thought i'd drop a note here about recent developments. but, just to be clear, because you seem to be confused, i will never leave this listserve _entirely_, but instead will return here on occasion to give y'all wake-up calls... forewarned is forearmed; acquaint yourself with your delete key if you really feel a strong need to protect your undisturbed sleep. heck, even better, apply some backchannel pressure to greg newby to "moderate" me -- again -- and absolve me of this onerous duty... > Whatever happened to that? good question, dave, thanks for asking it... :+) you can join the beta-test for my viewer. but you knew that. i don't feel the need to show you all my cards until you guys have thrown _considerably_ more chips into the pot first; when i leave this table, i will take your whole stake with me. specifically, you'll need to: 1. put the time and energy into developing your markup format. 2. do the work of developing procedures to apply that markup. 3. pay the price in volunteers by implementing the procedures. 4. put the time and energy into developing conversion routines. 5. mark up the 20,000+ e-text "backlog" of the current library. once you have done all _that_, i'll be happy to show you exactly how you could've gotten the same benefits _without_ markup... but not _until_ then... :+) and so far, you haven't even gotten past step 1 yet... so _y'all_ don't have any time to waste in a flamewar either. thus i suggest we just let this thread die, and rest in peace... finally, i dunno what _you_ might be thinking, dave, but i'm thinking that my strategy of sitting back and waiting for the marketplace to peg a _big_ number on the value of a current "best-of-breed" viewer-program has just proven itself with a _very_ worthy dividend... -bowerbird

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Re: [gutvol-d] do you realize what this means?
by Joshua Hutchinson 15 Apr '05

15 Apr '05

Boy, you must be new around here! Three messages would barely qualify as a border skirmish in the epic flame wars bowerbird has started. That being said, I do apologize and promise not to rise to the bait again this cycle. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Horton" <geoff.horton(a)gmail.com> > > Can you all conduct your flame war in someone else's inbox, please? > Regardless of how irritating some of us find others of us, it's not > germane to getting material on PG, and that's what I'm here for. > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d

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re: [gutvol-d] do you realize what this means?
by Joshua Hutchinson 15 Apr '05

15 Apr '05

----- Original Message ----- From: Bowerbird(a)aol.com > > aaron said: > > No! Of course we don't! But I'm sure we can look forward to a long > > string of randomly punctuated messages where you tell us how completely > > stupid we are, followed by several messages which say something along the > > lines of, > > "I've had enough of this list. I'm going to unsubscribe soon." > > Proceeding this will come one or more ads for your blog, followed by some > > more "no really, I'm leaving this time, really!" messages. Then, finally, > > if we're extremely lucky, we'll get about 60 days of peace until you come > > back and start the whole thing over again. > > randomly punctuated messages? > I'm sure that in your madness you see a method to your punctuation.... But to the sane, it looks pretty random. That, and it is obvious that your shift key was broken long, long ago. Josh

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