May 2005 - gutvol-d - lists.pglaf.org

Re: [gutvol-d] Attempt to add: Flight From The City
by Jonathan Ingram 22 May '05

22 May '05

--- Dave Doty <davedoty(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >From: "Branko Collin" <collin(a)xs4all.nl> > > >I am afraid that is not really relevant. However, if the heirs want > >to submit the book for PG, that should be possible. > > A couple of months ago, I did a little digging out of curiousity to find out > who owned the copyright to Mein Kampf. Apparently it's the Austrian > Government,who refuse to allow it to be published in Austria, but otherwise > have no interest in it. But it's definitely still copyright by either US or > life+70 countries' standards. Not in life+50, though. -- Jon Ingram Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html

4 3

Browser Assistance Request.
by rvijay07 22 May '05

22 May '05

I was finally able to download the gutenbrowser software. It shows the text only about three inches to the centre of the page. Fonts are not convenient and is slow. So, I have decided to work with mozilla for now in regards to reading ebooks. Thanks very much for the help so far. By pressing Cltr+ I am easily able to change fonts now. Also I learned to change the background color to dark green as this is more convenient compared to the bright glowing white background. Here is what I need now. Is there any way that I can add a Bookmark in the text file that I am reading thru Mozilla ? What other convenient options does Mozilla offer for reading ebooks ? Thanks in advance. Vijay _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

1 0

Attempt to add: Flight From The City
by rvijay07 21 May '05

21 May '05

Hello everyone: Here is my attempt to add a book to the PG collection and a response in this regard. Steve, the Author of the site soliandearth.org is confident that this book is Public Domain. Can this book be added to the PG Collection ? Please advice. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Vijay Definition of Public Domain for Reference: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/okbooks.html --- On Sat 05/21, Steve Solomon < stsolomo(a)soilandhealth.org > wrote: From: Steve Solomon [mailto: stsolomo(a)soilandhealth.org] To: rvijay07(a)myway.com Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 19:16:11 +1000 Subject: Re: Email from the soilandhealth.org web site >>Vijay, If you are a PG member then you are for sure familiar with the rules of Public Domain. Alive/dead has nothing to do with it. It would be miraculous if Borsodi lives in the same body he lived in when he was being Ralph Borsodi !Steve Original Message From: <rvijay07(a)myway.com> To: <stsolomo(a)soilandhealth.org> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 12:05 PM Subject: >> Greetings Steve ! I see that the book below (Flight From the City) is Public Domain. Can you please provide the related proof since I believe that the Author is still alive. http://soilandhealth.org/03sov/0302hsted/030204borsodi/030204borsoditoc.html I am presently a PG Volunteer and would like to see this book added to the gutenberg.org collection/library. Hence my request. Thank you in advance. Vijay _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

4 4

Re: [gutvol-d] Attempt to add: Flight From The City
by rvijay07 21 May '05

21 May '05

The Author seems to have passed away as per this and other sites on him. http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/loomis_borsodi_bio.html http://www.izaak.unh.edu/specoll/mancoll/borsodi.htm Vijay --- On Sat 05/21, Janet Kegg < jmk(a)his.com > wrote: From: Janet Kegg [mailto: jmk(a)his.com] To: rvijay07(a)myway.com, gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 07:45:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Attempt to add: Flight From The City I followed the link you gave for "Flight from the City" and see the ebook posted states it is "copyright 1933". So it is not in the public domain in the U.S. and cannot be added to PG. For your information, the general rule for PG is that the book was published in 1922 or earlier. On Sat, 21 May 2005 06:31:29 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > >Hello everyone: > >Here is my attempt to add a book to the PG collection and a response in this regard. > >Steve, the Author of the site soliandearth.org is confident that this book is Public Domain. > >Can this book be added to the PG Collection ? Please advice. > >Thanks in advance. > >Sincerely, > >Vijay > >Definition of Public Domain for Reference: >http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/okbooks.html > > > --- On Sat 05/21, Steve Solomon < stsolomo(a)soilandhealth.org > wrote: >From: Steve Solomon [mailto: stsolomo(a)soilandhealth.org] >To: rvijay07(a)myway.com >Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 19:16:11 +1000 >Subject: Re: Email from the soilandhealth.org web site > >>>Vijay, If you are a PG member then you are for sure familiar with the rules of Public Domain. Alive/dead has nothing to do with it. It would be miraculous if Borsodi lives in the same body he lived in when he was being Ralph Borsodi !Steve > >Original Message From: <rvijay07(a)myway.com> >To: <stsolomo(a)soilandhealth.org> >Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 12:05 PM Subject: >>> Greetings Steve ! I see that the book below (Flight From the City) is Public Domain. Can you please provide the related proof since I believe that the Author is still alive. >http://soilandhealth.org/03sov/0302hsted/030204borsodi/030204borsoditoc.html I am presently a PG Volunteer and would like to see this book added to the gutenberg.org collection/library. Hence my request. >Thank you in advance. > >Vijay > >_______________________________________________ >No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. >Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > >_______________________________________________ >gutvol-d mailing list >gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org >http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

5 5

Re: [gutvol-d] World Health Organization
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 21 May '05

21 May '05

In a message dated 5/20/2005 8:27:27 PM Mountain Daylight Time, cannona(a)fireantproductions.com writes: I'm wondering if anyone has considered getting permission to add the publications of the World Health Organization to our catalog? >From their web site: "Become a WHO publishing partner Information about health is fundamental to saving lives and making us all healthier. To reach more readers with its information, WHO is seeking partners to reproduce and/or translate the books and reports in this catalogue. Royalties are modest and can be waived in the case of non-profit editions or those intended for developing countries. For further information, please contact: Knowledge Management and Sharing, World Health Organization, CH-1211 Geneva 27, Switzerland, Tel: +41 22 7912460, Fax: +41 22 7914806 pubrights(a)who.int http://www.who.int/publications/en/ I sent WHO an email requesting information. I'll update when I get it. Anne Do you like to breathe? Then save the trees! Begin a personal relationship with an ebook TODAY!

2 1

PROTOCOLS (was Re: [gutvol-d] Another Collection)
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 21 May '05

21 May '05

In a message dated 5/21/2005 9:27:47 AM Mountain Daylight Time, jon_niehof(a)yahoo.com writes: >I could have sworn the Protocols went through DP last fall, but >I can't find evidence thereof. The DP consensus I inferred from >the discussions at the time was that we're trying to preserve >all literature, especially the important and influential, into >which category the Protocols certainly fall. Rather than print >disclaimers at the beginning or otherwise pass judgement on the >text, it was suggested that we find as much PD material >debunking the Protocols as possible, and process it through. Pray forgive me, O ye liberals, for I have sinned by being both GOP and Libertarian. I have just asked the John Birch Society to try to find me information refuting the PROTOCOLS. They had a lot of such information 40 years ago, but that was 40 years ago. It will be next week at the earliest before I hear back from them. Anne Do you like to breathe? Then save the trees! Begin a personal relationship with an ebook TODAY!

2 1

re: [gutvol-d] PG for Mac users
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 21 May '05

21 May '05

the non-mac people here can't help you. so they'll steer you away from the mac people who can... :+) makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? as the saying goes, 5% of the people use macs, but it's the top 5%. ;+) -bowerbird

1 0

Re: [gutvol-d] Another Collection
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 21 May '05

21 May '05

In a message dated 5/21/2005 9:27:47 AM Mountain Daylight Time, jon_niehof(a)yahoo.com writes: >I could have sworn the Protocols went through DP last fall, but >I can't find evidence thereof. I haven't looked for it, and don't plan on it. >We would be doing a disservice to posterity if we picked and >chose what went through. It would also be a disservice to label >some texts as "generally approved" and some as "generally bunk," >imposing our turn-of-the-millenium viewpoint on the collection. >So as I see it, it's best to preserve as much as possible, from >as wide a range of viewpoints as possible, knowing that this is >*inherently dangerous* and that these texts will almost >certainly be used to support actions and viewpoints that we deem >contemptible. That's why all this work matters in the first >place: because books are dangerous, and they are powerful. That is, of course, a very strong argument. It happens that right now PROTOCOLS is running around a lot of the world exacerbating some already bad situations. Like Vijay, I'll leave it to majority vote. I've already read it, several years ago when my husband needed it for something he was writing, and it is so silly that it is incredible to me that anybody could ever have believed it. Anne Do you like to breathe? Then save the trees! Begin a personal relationship with an ebook TODAY!

1 0

Re: [gutvol-d] Another Collection
by Jonathan Ingram 21 May '05

21 May '05

--- Jon Niehof <jon_niehof(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I could have sworn the Protocols went through DP last fall, but > I can't find evidence thereof. The DP consensus I inferred from > the discussions at the time was that we're trying to preserve > all literature, especially the important and influential, into > which category the Protocols certainly fall. Rather than print > disclaimers at the beginning or otherwise pass judgement on the > text, it was suggested that we find as much PD material > debunking the Protocols as possible, and process it through. Yes, it went through DPEU, in a translation which is public-domain in the EU, but not in the US. We're currently for a European life+X archive to set up, so we can publish this and the many other works that have gone through the site that are not US-public domain. The Protocols will almost certainly have a disclaimer at the beginning when they are published, due to the sensitive nature of the work. I would also, as you have mentioned, like to put it in context, but none of this material has been found or scanned so far. -- Jon Ingram __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

1 0

Re: [gutvol-d] Another Collection
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 21 May '05

21 May '05

Vijay, Did you mean to send this just to me, or to or to the entire board? I assume you meant the latter, so I have forwarded it. In a message dated 5/21/2005 3:27:33 AM Mountain Daylight Time, rvijay07(a)myway.com writes: >Here is what I was taught once. It is important to know the ways of the devil >inorder to be able to deal with him. I agree with this, within reason. One does not want to become obsessed with the devil's work. If you can afford to buy ebooks (some of us can't), you might like to go to FictionWise.com and buy RENTWING. It's my first fantasy and my first scripture-based novel, and it pretty well spells out my opinion in this matter. >A program I heard a few weeks ago on Deutsche Welle Radio talked about not >banning Hitler's Book MeinKampf in Germany. It is allowed and sold in the US. >Anyone can download it of the net. Unbanning a book allows all to read and decide i>f the material is good or bad for themselves. They say most people learn positively >from it. I read it when I was thirteen. I'm 61 now, so there's been a long span of time since then and I remember very little of it. But I do remember that he started the book by saying, in effect, "I used to think . . . " and presenting reasonably normal reasoning. He soon got into "But NOW I know . . . " and his reasoning became more and more insane the farther he got into the book. I felt that I was reading a man's collapse into paranoid schizophrenia. But too many people, even now, read it and believe his "logic." Banned Books Week: http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedbooksweek/bannedbooksweek.htm My oldest daughter has an annual Banned Books Party. She sends out her invitations, then she goes to used-book stores all over Fort Worth, and then if necessary she buys some books at full cost. At her party, she hands out as party favors copies of the banned books. If I were into party-giving and didn't live in a neighborhood so staid that a lot of people STILL want to ban books, I'd do the same thing. I just bookmarked the site. I had it bookmarked at one time until a rather complex computer disaster occurred, and I hadn't gone back to look for it again. Anyways, I will go with the majority of PG in this case. The Author also has not responded so this is not an issue at this time. I seem to have come in in the middle of this discussion. Please enlighten me. Are we talking about Adolf Hitler having not responded? He's, uh, sort of dead, as of course you know, so I take it you are speaking facetiously. I agree that no matter how detestable the work is, and it is extremely detestable, it is a major document of world history and therefore should be available. However, as it already IS available online, I also will go with the majority on whether or not Gutenberg should post it. PROTOCOL OF THE ELDERS OF ZION, which is an extremely inflammatory and vicious collection of lies and hatespeak, also is available online, but I would strongly object to PG posting it. My position is this, I think: Banning books is wrong. However, I am not required to publish them myself if I find them distasteful. Let somebody who DOESN'T consider them distasteful publish them. Books are banned for many reasons, though, and some of them are extremely silly. Some schools have banned HUCKLEBERRY FINN because it uses what is now referred to as "The N-word." But Twain was making a point, and the point he was making was that a good black man is just as good as any other good man, and a lot better than most men, and he was demonstrating that. In one chilling example, Tom Sawyer's aunt, on being told of the explosion of a boiler in a paddleboat, asks, "Was anybody hurt?" The reply was, "No, ma'am, killed a nigger, though." To which the aunt replies, "Well, that's fortunate, because sometimes people are hurt in that kind of thing." But by this time the reader knows that Jim, the run-away slave, is the only REAL person in the book other than Huck. Everybody else in the book has assumed a persona in which a black person IS NOT a person, and thereby they have made themselves non-real. The cult of "the other" can cut two ways. As you may have noticed, I do not find this book distasteful, although I am from the Deep South. So I suppose, on careful consideration, that I do think PG should not publish MEIN KAMPF, but I won't throw a tantrum either way. It's available, so it's not banned from the Internet. Anne Do you like to breathe? Then save the trees! Begin a personal relationship with an ebook TODAY!

2 1