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html/css expert advice sought
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 17 Apr '10

17 Apr '10

here's an example of the code i'm using for multiple columns: > http://z-m-l.com/go/2-column-good-xml.html > http://z-m-l.com/go/3-column-good-xml.html if anyone has advice on how to improve that code, i'm all ears... -bowerbird

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Re: Typesetting
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 16 Apr '10

16 Apr '10

michael said: > I'm in my early 20s. ok. age is a state of mind. > I like what I do. > I do not like eyestrain you get eyestrain from your screens? really? sincerely, you need to get better equipment. there's no good reason for eyestrain any more. > and I like the variety that print media provides. ok. i find the web has 30 times more variety, including most stuff you can find in print, but everybody has their own sense of taste. > An old term to be sure, but I like it. i like it too. it's charming. and cute. :+) > The only real option would be to > convert each text manually into LaTeX > or some lightweight format like asciidoc > (my personal favorite). if you read the archives, you'll see that i have been the major cheerleader here for light-markup since way back in 2003. > Largely, I am looking to see > if anyone else has a solution i have a solution. it's sitting on my hard-drive. you might be the person who springs it free... > before I break out an interpreter/compiler > and get cracking on my own. i encourage you to get cracking on your own... i'd love to have someone to compare notes with. i would offer you all kinds of advice in your work, probably (to be frank) whether you want it or not. > Nitpicking aside, you raise a valid point. we're just having fun... don't take it too seriously. but that wasn't nitpicking. i was running through the checklist that you will eventually have to make, if you want to offer your program to anybody else. (which you might or might not wanna do, i dunno.) > What do I want? yes please, do tell... > * Automatic or mostly automatic. makes sense. fully automatic just isn't possible, not across the full p.g. library, but "mostly automatic" is within range... > * Font family selection. I don't personally > care about picking an exact font i ask about times new roman and helvetica in particular because some aspects of my solution can only use those. but if we take another approach, you can use any font... > * Paragraph lines should run to the end of the printed page ok, but are lines as they're wrapped in a typical p.g. e-text too short, or too long? in other words, what's the measure? (that's the typographic term for the length of your lines, i.e., the pagesize minus your margins.) this will depend on the fontsize, which i forgot to ask about. > * On screen, I like block paragraphs, but in print indented ones. ok. > Optimally, this would be user-settable. optimally, _everything_ is user-settable. > * Page size I would want to set, but > 2 pages printed on an 8.5x11 sheet in practice. that's right. > * I care little about hyphenation vs wrapping, but > I would want the text conformed to the print media, > not verbatim of the original edition. that's a bit ironic, since the original edition _was_ text that was made to conform to the print media. so there is a certain bit of contradiction in there... but i'll let it pass. > This is, after all, one of the advantages of an etext > --the ability to reflow the content as desired. well, yes, of course. but once you've printed it out, you've lost that ability-to-reflow. so does it matter? (never mind, it's just another philosophical question.) > * Page numbers, of course. of course, of course. > * Curly quotes do not matter one way or another to me. ok. > * em-dashes would be preferable. ok. > * Footnotes and endnotes should be included, of course. yes, of course they should be included. i was asking if you had a preference for one over the other, because it can get very hairy to do footnotes in a rewrapped e-text. it's easier to do endnotes. but if you _want_ footnotes... -bowerbird

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Re: Project Gutenberg DVD Release Candidate now available for testing
by Aaron Cannon 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi all. Thanks to all those who downloaded and sent me feedback. I figured out what was causing the broken links. Turns out that when I was creating an ISO file, all the "-"s in filenames were being changed to "_"s, so as to meet the ISO9660 standard, which doesn't permit filenames to contain "-". So, 3533-h.zip was being changed to 3533_h.zip. So, I am having to change the HTML to deal with this. I should have Release Candidate 2 ready for upload tomorrow. I'll keep everyone posted. Thanks. Aaron On 4/13/10, Aaron Cannon <cannona(a)fireantproductions.com> wrote: > It looks like the HTML was changed some how from my local copy. For > instance, my local copy has no content directory. All of the numbered > directories are in the root, though come to think of it, it probably > would have been better to create a content directory. Nevertheless, I > believe that it must have been altered to serve the books from a > content directory when it was placed on the web server. So, to answer > your concern, the link works on the real ISO. > > Also, I don't think I want to mess with the books we've already got on > there. It won't really make much difference in size, and I don't want > to add books at this point, so I guess I just don't see any compelling > reason to mess with it. Thanks for the suggestions though! > > Thanks a lot for looking. I really appreciate the feedback! > > If you find anything else, please let me know. Also, Maybe Greg can > comment on the 404 error. > > Thanks. > > Aaron > > > > On 4/13/10, Gardner Buchanan <gbuchana(a)teksavvy.com> wrote: >> Hi Aaron, >> >> Similarly, I have found that this link does not work: >> >> http://pglaf.org/PGDVD201004-RC1/content/3/5/3/3533/3533-h.zip >> >> followed from here: >> http://pglaf.org/PGDVD201004-RC1/content/etext/3533.html >> >> If you have to muck with things, I also noticed that the following >> section includes the separate volume 1 and 2 of _the Attache_ as >> well as the omnibus. Likely only the two volumes of the omnibus >> are really needed. >> >> Canada -- Social life and customs -- Fiction >> >> * Sunshine Sketches of a Little Town (English) By Leacock, Stephen, >> 1869-1944 >> * The Attaché; or, Sam Slick in England — Complete (English) By >> Haliburton, Thomas Chandler, 1796-1865 >> * The Attaché; or, Sam Slick in England — Volume 01 (English) By >> Haliburton, Thomas Chandler, 1796-1865 >> * The Attaché; or, Sam Slick in England — Volume 02 (English) By >> Haliburton, Thomas Chandler, 1796-1865 >> >> >> On 13-Apr-2010 03:32, Greg Newby wrote: >>> >>> Has a link checker been run on this? I quickly found a missing >>> file via file:///PGDVD_2010_04_RC1/etext/3002.html >>> and wonder whether some filetypes or other content might not >>> have made it. >> >> ============================================================ >> Gardner Buchanan <gbuchana(a)teksavvy.com> >> Ottawa, ON FreeBSD: Where you want to go. Today. >> >

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PDF-files
by Fernando Maia Jr. 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

[Sorry, I forgot to change the subject.] Hello, volunteers! I'm new here and I have a doubt. Would it be interesting for PG if it would have more PDF-files? I've searched for this information everywhere and I haven't found an answer yet, so that I decided to ask about it here. Sorry for possible mistakes (English isn't my native language). Thanks in advance, Fernando

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freeliterature.org
by Marc D'Hooghe 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi there, I started a couple of weeks ago with a new site in support of PG. http://www.freeliterature.org. Two goals: two spread information about free e-books and literature on the web (extensive link list) - and the possibility to help producing e-text by proofreading. You can download the scans of a book of your choice, and the text to proof is sent on demand. Enjoy. Marc.

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slightly off topic, first post, scanning
by Sparr 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

This is my first post to the list. I come here for advice not directly related to PG. I have a number of physical books that have had their spines cut off and I need to scan them so they can be OCR'd and stored digitally. I am encountering two problems. All of the bulk page-feed scanners I have tried have one or both of the following issues: Duplex scanning happens simultaneously, so extreme contrast changes (such as borders) from one side of the page show through (about 5%) to the other side. Remnants of glue left on the edge of a page (from the removed spine) get stuck to the inside of the scanner or feeder, ruining the scans of subsequent pages until the scanner is cleaned. Can anyone recommend a solution to either of these problems that can hopefully be applied automatically or in a batch operation? Reduction of human intervention/effort is my goal.

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[SPAM] re: !@! #17135 Twas The Night Before Christmas
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

gardner said: > So there's two more random data points in BB's column. thanks, gardner. but there's no need to be "random". the big sites using p.g. e-books are very easy to find, because they are... um... big. the first, and foremost, of course, was "black mask". david moynihan had the scripts down to a science, and even offered them to p.g. at one point in time, an offer that was declined, for some stupid reason that was not _just_ stupid, but asininely ridiculous. (and no, i don't even know what that reason was.) next up is "manybooks". matthew's converters are not nearly as good as david's, but he seems to have many loyal users who pick up their books from him, probably because he's always been very good about supporting the widest possible array of machinery... both of these providers have been using books from p.g. going back for many years, so the fact that they were using the plain-text versions might be due to their history... that is, they might just be in a rut... but the newest big provider on the block nowadays is "feedbooks". and as far as i can tell, hadrien also uses the plain-text version as his "starter" version... makes sense, since he stores the text in a database, so it does no good to have somebody else's markup. the number of files being download from these sites these days -- thanks to the kindle/iphone/ipad trio -- is downright _stunning_. hadrien at feedbooks says he's running at about 75,000 downloads every _day_, with 2.5 million in march. several individual books have over 10k downloads, some 20k, and one 30k... *** dakretz said: > Does anyone know of any epublisher other than PG > that *does* distribute the html we provide? well, in a way. apple grabs the .epubs from here. if i'm not mistaken, marcello uses the .html file, if one exists. but if not, he uses the plain-text... i'm quite sure the .epub files are full of ugliness. and mike cook and his "epubbooks" site might use the .html file as his "starter", you'd have to ask him. he hasn't done books "en masse", though, and thus hasn't had to face the problems from inconsistencies. -bowerbird

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Question about Scanned Books
by Michael McDermott 14 Apr '10

14 Apr '10

Archive.org has many DJVU files of books that have lapsed into the public domain. Would it comply with PG's guidelines to take one of these volumes (the one I was thinking of has a copyright date of 1915 and can be found at http://www.archive.org/details/worksmartinluth00spaegoog)? The important elements here are: 1) I do not have a copy of the paper edition 2) This is a scan of a work that, by all appearances, qualifies having been published in the US before 1923 3) Was digitized by Google Would this work or would its ancestry cause problems? -- Michael McDermott www.mad-computer-scientist.com

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so let's talk about my collaborative proofreading site, part 2
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 13 Apr '10

13 Apr '10

here's more info on my collaborative proofreading site... *** to see what we're talking about, you can visit this u.r.l.: > http://z-m-l.com/go/sitka/editr.pl *** we talked about 4 main topics last week: > navigating the pages... > certifying a page as clean... > searching the book for a string... > feel the power with the "command" field... under the 4th topic -- the command field -- we discussed 3 of the commands you can issue: > showmap... > concat... > showcustom... today we'll discuss a few more commands... *** blubberbaby... you'll remember that i also discussed how you can implement spellcheck functionality in your workflow. one key to this is creating a custom dictionary for each specific book that you are digitizing, one that contains the words unique to that particular book... at first, you'll have a "bad-words" list, which contains low-frequency words not found in a regular dictionary. the other list is the "good-words" list, which contains high-frequency words plus those in a regular dictionary. the process of correcting the book is one of _moving_ items on the "bad-words" list to the "good-words" list, either by certifying o.c.r. did recognize them correctly, or by correcting the misrecognition to what it should be. (or, in the case of an error by the publisher, correcting it.) what is handy, for this process, is knowing which pages have words that are contained on the "bad-words" list. you _could_ navigate through each of the pages, to see which ones have flagged words, which are shown in red. but why not have the computer just tell us what they are? voila the next command, christened "blubberbaby", to honor alaska, for this sitka book. enter "blubberbaby" in the search-field and click "find", and in a little while -- it's not yet unoptimized, so it's about 20 seconds -- you will be shown a page that includes all of the pages that have words which are still on the "bad-words" list... from that display-page, you can use the links there to open a number of these pages -- each in its own tab -- and work on them to deal with all of the flagged words. questionable words should be handled in preprocessing, for the most part, so if the workflow is designed correctly, you won't need to use this "blubberbaby" command often. but it's useful to have it, so you can do the check if desired. and if questionable words were not fixed in preprocessing, then you'll find "blubberbaby" to be even more important. *** pairsearch... you'll remember when i was discussing _inconsistencies_ in the sitka book that i used the "bad-words" list to find possible problems. specifically, when two variants of a word (usually a name) came up sorted next to each other, it was easy to spot 'em and tell that they needed checking. here are a few of them, so you can see what i mean... > Globokoe************** > Golobokoe************** > ... > Golofnin************** > Golovin************** > ... > Hagemeister************** > Hagmeister************** it's pretty obvious that these _might_ be inconsistencies... not all of them are. for instance, "golofnin" and "golvin" were -- apparently -- the names of two different people. but the others were errors made by the original printer, errors that coulda been caught (i caught 'em) and fixed. what you have to do, though, to check these pairs out, is go to the actual pages where they appear, and read the text, so as to determine the correct course of action. now, with the search capability, it's fairly easy to do that. you just enter each term, and then click on the links to open up the pages where that term appears. fairly easy. but that can get a bit tiresome if you have a lot to check. so i programmed this "pairsearch" command to help out. you enter the command "pairsearch", followed by pairs of terms that you want to search for, and the program presents the relevant pages to help you make a decision. so, for instance, for the three pairs above, you'd enter: > pairsearch hagemeister hagmeister golofnin golovin globokoe golobokoe the search-terms can be separated by spaces or line-ends. the output from that search is appended to this message. the lines are long, and will likely wrap, so it's also here: > http://z-m-l.com/go/sitka/pairsearch-output.html the pagenames aren't linked now, but eventually will be. this "pairsearch" command can be extremely useful in resolving inconsistencies within the book, both those introduced by o.c.r. and those by the original publisher. one more note... remember that publishers back in the old days didn't have the wonderful tools that we now have at our disposal, so it's no wonder that they had some problems when it came to words like "globokoe" and "golobokoe", or russian names. i'm sure if i had to use the primitive tools they had back then, i'd be making 3 times as many errors as they made, or more... *** end-page-hyphenates d.p. has proofers mark end-page-hyphenates with an asterisk. i'm not sure why they feel that's necessary. the computer can find end-page-hyphenates just fine. here's a routine to do it. put the command "end-page-hyphenates" in the search-field, and then click "find", and you'll get a list of where they occur. the list has links for both pages, containing both fragments... for this book, you'll get this: > sitkap002.txt ... and ... sitkap003.txt > sitkap007.txt ... and ... sitkap008.txt > sitkap018.txt ... and ... sitkap019.txt > sitkap019.txt ... and ... sitkap020.txt > sitkap021.txt ... and ... sitkap022.txt > sitkap027.txt ... and ... sitkap028.txt > sitkap043.txt ... and ... sitkap044.txt > sitkap051.txt ... and ... sitkap052.txt > sitkap077.txt ... and ... sitkap078.txt > sitkap079.txt ... and ... sitkap080.txt > sitkap083.txt ... and ... sitkap084.txt > sitkap087.txt ... and ... sitkap088.txt > sitkap102.txt ... and ... sitkap103.txt those pagenames are clickable, and take you to that page... there isn't a lot of reason you need to check those fragments, since the computer will also rejoin 'em if you unwrap the text. but if i didn't include this functionality, you know _someone_ would say "yeah, but your system doesn't do _this_, does it?" so now i can say, "well yes, as a matter of fact, it _does_..." *** so, we've added "blubberbaby" and "pairsearch" commands, as well as "end-page-hyphenates"; that's enough for today. by now, you should have a pretty good feel on how we will continue to implement functionalities as they are needed... we'll discuss more stuff as i get it put into place... -bowerbird p.s. here's the output from the "pairsearch" command above: > .....here it is, in order of appearance in the book: > > globokoe ... sitkap002.txt ... the inlet at Ozerskoe Redoubt and Globokoe (Deep) Lake; the island-studded > hagemeister ... sitkap006.txt ... ngland English Francisco Georgeson Hagemeister Jamestown Kashavaroffs Katle > hagemeister ... sitkap009.txt ... g instructions previously given to Hagemeister, instructing him to find the > golofnin ... sitkap032.txt ... r the command of Captain Vasili M. Golofnin, who was widely known for his a > golofnin ... sitkap034.txt ... stant, nor one doctor's pupil.'?? Golofnin soon left Sitka to return to St > hagmeister ... sitkap042.txt ... ills of Golden California. Captain Hagmeister came to re- lieve him, and in > golofnin ... sitkap045.txt ... to trade with the Kolosh [45-1] Golofnin, Voyage of the Sloop "Kamchatka > golofnin ... sitkap060.txt ... ccording to the account of Captain Golofnin, it was an establishment well b > golovin ... sitkap072.txt ... erica, by Captain-Lieutenant P. N. Golovin, pp. 72-73. [[72]] > globokoe ... sitkap072.txt ... other at the Ozer- skoe Redoubt on Globokoef[72-2] (Deep) Lake, ground the > golobokoe ... sitkap072.txt ... f the present improvement. [72-2] Golobokoe Lake was sounded to a depth cf > hagemeister ... sitkap075.txt ... nuary 11, 1818. Leonti Andreanvich Hagemeister, Jan. 11, 1818, to Oct. 24, > globokoe ... sitkap105.txt ... mountainside. The Redoubt and the Globokoe Lake.-- Southwest from Sitka ab > globokoe ... sitkap106.txt ... re in the rocky wall which divided Globokoe, or Deep Lake, from the sea, an > > > .....and sorted, by search-term: > > globokoe ... sitkap002.txt ... the inlet at Ozerskoe Redoubt and Globokoe (Deep) Lake; the island-studded > globokoe ... sitkap072.txt ... other at the Ozer- skoe Redoubt on Globokoef[72-2] (Deep) Lake, ground the > globokoe ... sitkap105.txt ... mountainside. The Redoubt and the Globokoe Lake.-- Southwest from Sitka ab > globokoe ... sitkap106.txt ... re in the rocky wall which divided Globokoe, or Deep Lake, from the sea, an > > golobokoe ... sitkap072.txt ... f the present improvement. [72-2] Golobokoe Lake was sounded to a depth cf > > golofnin ... sitkap032.txt ... r the command of Captain Vasili M. Golofnin, who was widely known for his a > golofnin ... sitkap034.txt ... stant, nor one doctor's pupil.'?? Golofnin soon left Sitka to return to St > golofnin ... sitkap045.txt ... to trade with the Kolosh [45-1] Golofnin, Voyage of the Sloop "Kamchatka > golofnin ... sitkap060.txt ... ccording to the account of Captain Golofnin, it was an establishment well b > > golovin ... sitkap072.txt ... erica, by Captain-Lieutenant P. N. Golovin, pp. 72-73. [[72]] > > hagemeister ... sitkap006.txt ... ngland English Francisco Georgeson Hagemeister Jamestown Kashavaroffs Katle > hagemeister ... sitkap009.txt ... g instructions previously given to Hagemeister, instructing him to find the > hagemeister ... sitkap075.txt ... nuary 11, 1818. Leonti Andreanvich Hagemeister, Jan. 11, 1818, to Oct. 24, > > hagmeister ... sitkap042.txt ... ills of Golden California. Captain Hagmeister came to re- lieve him, and in > > > .....and sorted again, this time in the order in which they were entered: > > hagemeister ... sitkap006.txt ... ngland English Francisco Georgeson Hagemeister Jamestown Kashavaroffs Katle > hagemeister ... sitkap009.txt ... g instructions previously given to Hagemeister, instructing him to find the > hagemeister ... sitkap075.txt ... nuary 11, 1818. Leonti Andreanvich Hagemeister, Jan. 11, 1818, to Oct. 24, > > hagmeister ... sitkap042.txt ... ills of Golden California. Captain Hagmeister came to re- lieve him, and in > > > golofnin ... sitkap032.txt ... r the command of Captain Vasili M. Golofnin, who was widely known for his a > golofnin ... sitkap034.txt ... stant, nor one doctor's pupil.'?? Golofnin soon left Sitka to return to St > golofnin ... sitkap045.txt ... to trade with the Kolosh [45-1] Golofnin, Voyage of the Sloop "Kamchatka > golofnin ... sitkap060.txt ... ccording to the account of Captain Golofnin, it was an establishment well b > > golovin ... sitkap072.txt ... erica, by Captain-Lieutenant P. N. Golovin, pp. 72-73. [[72]] > > > globokoe ... sitkap002.txt ... the inlet at Ozerskoe Redoubt and Globokoe (Deep) Lake; the island-studded > globokoe ... sitkap072.txt ... other at the Ozer- skoe Redoubt on Globokoef[72-2] (Deep) Lake, ground the > globokoe ... sitkap105.txt ... mountainside. The Redoubt and the Globokoe Lake.-- Southwest from Sitka ab > globokoe ... sitkap106.txt ... re in the rocky wall which divided Globokoe, or Deep Lake, from the sea, an > > golobokoe ... sitkap072.txt ... f the present improvement. [72-2] Golobokoe Lake was sounded to a depth cf > > > --30--

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[SPAM] PGDP down?
by Greg Weeks 13 Apr '10

13 Apr '10

Is PGDP down, or is something with just my link? -- Greg Weeks http://durendal.org:8080/greg/

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