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Re: In search of a more-vanilla vanilla TXT
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 19 Sep '09

19 Sep '09

jim said: > In case anyone really wants to do it right, > what PG needs is to have each book > (and other documents) marked up semanticly. > > Of all of the exsting SGML/XML applications, > TEI seems best for what PG is doing. jim, first of all, you're wrong. and second of all, you're about 5-8 years late for this conversation. i think the archives are still available, and will give you a good idea of this long-raging debate. but thanks for giving us all a blast from the past. -bowerbird

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PG French eBook #1500
by Michael S. Hart 18 Sep '09

18 Sep '09

Right now we are looking at Voltaire, de Toqueville's "Democracy," and a few others. 20 more and we are at 1500. Please take a look for various copies of "Democracy" and anything else you think we might be able to use, and let me know. Thanks!!! Michael S. Hart Founder Project Gutenberg

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Re: In search of a more-vanilla vanilla TXT
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 18 Sep '09

18 Sep '09

jim said: > As Bowerbird is only too happy to point out: > “Please feel free to go somewhere else!” jim, jim, jim. i'm just about the only person here who has any sympathy with what you are saying, and who is interacting with you in good faith, so why you be stabbin' me in da back like that? don't put words in my mouth. i never said anything like that. indeed, i have often advocated that p.g. e-texts should retain the linebreaks from the original, just like you've advocated, for the same reason. likewise, long before anyone else cared about it, i argued that lines which should not be rewrapped should be prefaced with one or more spaces, so they could easily be treated correctly during rewrap. i've also asked, repeatedly, for the plain-text files to include the names of the graphics, so that my viewer-apps could display them at the right place, which i assume is a practice you would also support. moreover, i am the only person here who has set up a website that people can use to unwrap the e-texts: > http://z-m-l.com/unwrap.pl so don't be raggin' on me, ok? -bowerbird

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good news on the doorstep
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 18 Sep '09

18 Sep '09

good news on the doorstep. there's now a new listserve for "civil" p.g. volunteers. that's right, no need to put up with the rudeness of this list. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PG_vol_lounge/message/1 here's the introduction, from founder joyce wilson: > Welcome to the Project Gutenberg volunteer lounge! > This list is intended to provide a friendly, supportive, > and civil forum for PG volunteers. I hope it will provide > a sense of community connection for those of us > whose PG volunteer jobs can seem kind of isolated. > Problem-solve, discuss, ask questions, share good news, > brag on yourself and others, liberally apply congratulations > and back-pats, chit-chat about stuff. But don't be a jerk, > or you'll be removed from the list. so, now if you're feeling a need for some liberally-applied congratulations and back-pats, or some shared good news, without jerks pestering you, you'll know exactly where to go. thanks for provided this much-needed service, joyce! -bowerbird

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Re: In search of a more-vanilla vanilla TXT
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

jim said: > So the “solution” is that all readers should > buy an iphone and run “eucalyptus” no. the "solution" is to understand that a viewer-program like eucalyptus can be programmed on _any_ platform, designed to take the project gutenberg plain-text files and display them in a beautiful (and powerful) manner. the "solution" is not to debunk that plain-text format -- which is what you seem to be wanting to do here -- and _certainly_ not invent a new cockamamie format, but rather to patch the small inconsistency problems that haunt the library so that the plain-text files are dependable and reliable in terms of delivering beauty. > I can’t disagree with that – it IS relatively trivial > to render attractive text if one knows one is > rendering to only one particular machine. have you ever done any programming, jim? and, in particular, have you ever done e-book coding? even though eucalyptus is "rendering to only one particular machine", it allows the end-user to pick the font-size, which requires rewrapping the text. in addition, many apps let you switch to landscape, which means you must code for two screen-sizes... it's not as easy as you make it sound to make an app, even if it's just "for one particular machine". however, once you've made such an app, it's not that difficult to port it to another machine, or to another language, or to hack it for some specific purpose you only need today, or to modify it to fit your own personal preferences, or... but the important thing to remember as far as this thread is that the "vanilla" .txt format used by project gutenberg is extremely close to being totally sufficient as a file-format. it just needs to have a few ambiguous situations cleaned up, and then the whole library needs to undergo quality control because there are some rather glaring inconsistencies there. but we don't need a new format... never have... never will... -bowerbird

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Re: z.m.l. can do what you want
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

jim, i'm losing patience with you, quickly, i warn you. *** jim said: > I invite the other readers to compare > the z.m.l. results for “Scrooge” at: > http://www.z-m-l.com/go/vlconvert.html first, the file at that address is volatile, depending on which .html conversion was last made via on button-click on the page which is located over at: > http://www.z-m-l.com/go/vl3.pl so, to ensure you've got "scrooge" at the address listed above, click on that button. (that'll be the "a christmas carol" button.) > I invite the other readers to compare > the z.m.l results for “Scrooge” at: > http://www.z-m-l.com/go/vlconvert.html > to the PG TEI results for “My Antonia” at: > http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19810/19810-pdf.pdf ok, do you understand that is comparing a converted .html file to a converted .pdf? if you want to compare, compare .html to .html, and .pdf to .pdf, because that makes some sense. oh, and by the way, picking "my antonia" was not a wise move, because i've done extensive research work on that particular digitization. so if you want me to onslaught it at you, let me know. > However, I will point out that neither markup has > the proper support necessary to render > correct EPUB nor MOBI file formats. show me the "proper" markup to accomplish the mobi, and i will edit the template so you can get that markup. then have the .tei guys do what they would need to do. because i'd love to see the mobi they get from their .tei. -bowerbird

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"PG volunteer lounge" list at Yahoo Groups
by Joyce Wilson 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

In the spirit of the world-famous DP spa, there is now a "Project Gutenberg volunteer lounge" list at Yahoo Groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PG_vol_lounge/ Description: A friendly, supportive, and civil forum for Project Gutenberg volunteers. Will be moderated as needed to keep it that way. Group Email Addresses: Post message: PG_vol_lounge(a)yahoogroups.com Subscribe: PG_vol_lounge-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: PG_vol_lounge-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com List owner: PG_vol_lounge-owner(a)yahoogroups.com

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Ebook 30000! And some sort of catalog milestone
by Joyce Wilson 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

I saw today that ebook 30000 has been posted! Congratulations! And in other (more self-serving) good news, I see we have 14271 books with no subjects in their bib records and 12062 with no LoCC in their bib records, so I guess it's no longer the case that "more than half of our books don't have subject information added" and "more than one half of our books don't have LoC info" as the "Help on Bibliographic Record Page" says. : -) Joyce Wilson PG Cataloging Team

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david and marcello
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

both david starner and marcello are relegated to my spam folder, but it's nice to see them fighting. marcello has convinced himself that pgtei is the next big thing, and has been ever since 2001... unfortunately for mr. marcello, he hasn't persuaded d.p. people. they tried .tei, and ran screaming from the scene due to the stench. -bowerbird

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Re: In search of a more-vanilla vanilla TXT
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

greg wants the distributed proofreaders to jump through all kinds of _unnecessarily_ difficult hoops, just so that project gutenberg can _supposedly_ get the benefits that i've already _proven_ can be obtained from the .txt format. greg went to library school. he's supposed to be smart. -bowerbird

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