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re: Re: [gutvol-d] New Online Reader
by Joshua Hutchinson 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

Wrong. If you are introducing a 2-7% error rate into the texts (those are your figures) that is absolutely and completely unacceptable. You are making them WORSE than they were before. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Bowerbird(a)aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:49:31 EDT To: gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org, Bowerbird(a)aol.com Subject: re: Re: [gutvol-d] New Online Reader > marcello said: > > Bottom line: if information has been lost, > > never use guessing to recover it > > but go back to the source. > > wrong. > > in an ideal world, with unlimited resources, sure. > > but in the real world of project gutenberg now, > where no one seems even the least bit eager to > _ever_ "go back to the source" and correct that > practice of using all-caps to indicate emphasis? > > for _that_, a more-practical strategy is called for. > > if, by using guessing, the information that you "restore" > is right in the vast majority of the cases (e.g., 93-98%), > then you _should_ do that. you should also, of course, > clearly _mark_ all of the changes that you have made, > so the users know they need to be evaluated with care. > > then, as i have argued here quite extensively in the past, > you need to put into place a robust mechanism that will > encourage users to report errors, and then act on them... > > but you still want to go ahead and make those changes... > > -bowerbird > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d

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re: Re: [gutvol-d] New Online Reader
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

marcello said: > Bottom line: if information has been lost, > never use guessing to recover it > but go back to the source. wrong. in an ideal world, with unlimited resources, sure. but in the real world of project gutenberg now, where no one seems even the least bit eager to _ever_ "go back to the source" and correct that practice of using all-caps to indicate emphasis? for _that_, a more-practical strategy is called for. if, by using guessing, the information that you "restore" is right in the vast majority of the cases (e.g., 93-98%), then you _should_ do that. you should also, of course, clearly _mark_ all of the changes that you have made, so the users know they need to be evaluated with care. then, as i have argued here quite extensively in the past, you need to put into place a robust mechanism that will encourage users to report errors, and then act on them... but you still want to go ahead and make those changes... -bowerbird

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Re: [BP] [gweekly] Pt2 Project Gutenberg Weekly Newsletter (fwd)
by Michael Hart 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:03:43 -0400 From: Stewart C. Russell <scruss(a)sympatico.ca> To: Book People mailing list <spok+bookpeople(a)cs.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: [BP] [gweekly] Pt2 Project Gutenberg Weekly Newsletter Project Gutenberg Newsletter wrote: > > http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/4300 > > Basically this paginates the txt file and remembers your last position > in a cookie so you can later resume reading where you left off. A worthy effort, but it doesn't use standard document navigation, so I can't use the "Top / Up / First / Previous / Next / Last / Document / More" standard navigation bar that my browser gives me. Conforming documents make this feature one of the great joys of using Mozilla. Stewart [Moderator: For more about standard document navigation links in HTML, see http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#type-links . Note that Mozilla's link toolbar appears to use more types of link relationships than are specified in the HTML standard, but it does also appear to recognize the standard ones. - JMO] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent via the Book People mailing list. Posting address: spok+bookpeople(a)cs.cmu.edu Admin. & unsubscribe address: spok+bookpeople-request(a)cs.cmu.edu Charter: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/bplist/

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New Online Reader
by Marcello Perathoner 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

There is a new experimental online reader available. Start from any bibliographic record page, eg. http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/4300 Basically this paginates the txt file and remembers your last position in a cookie so you can later resume reading where you left off. Please test it. It should work with any book that has a text file where the encoding is known. -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster(a)gutenberg.net

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speaking of readers
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 22 Sep '04

22 Sep '04

speaking of readers, i've got a new version of my viewer-program ready for upload today for the first day of fall. to join the beta-test, just send an e-mail to: zml_talk(a)yahoogroups.com thank you for your time... -bowerbird p.s. the onset of fall is in 5 minutes, at 9:30 pacific...

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blogged by our russian friends
by Marcello Perathoner 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

Our russian friends were so charmed by our ebook "Hand Shadows to Be Thrown upon the Wall by Henry Bursill" http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/12962 that they downloaded it 4000 times. Somebody who reads Russian can go to http://www.dirty.ru/comments/16939 and tell us why. Its interesting to see how articles wander from one blog to the next. These are just some of them who carry the "Hand Shadow" story. http://www.di-links.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=419 http://www.robcruickshank.net/2004_09_01_archive.html#109495485107159780 http://exclamationmark.typepad.com/ http://www.wherethreadscomeloose.com/links.html http://www.monkeyfilter.com/ -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster(a)gutenberg.net

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re: posted Digest, Vol 4, Issue 27
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

this just in from the "posted" list... david said: > This compilation of all Mark Twain's works > published by Project Gutenberg was first posted > three years ago and has been updated with > additions and corrections three times since > -- this is the fourth and most extensive. > On this renovation the entire 15mb file > of 302,000 lines has been reprocessed > using present day PG proofing tools with > the correction of several thousand errors. yay! -bowerbird

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ot: gmail
by Aaron Cannon 19 Sep '04

19 Sep '04

If any volunteers have a need for a gmail account (I.E. sending large book images back and forth) E-mail me off list and I can give you one. -- E-mail: cannona(a)fireantproductions.com Skype: cannona MSN Messenger: cannona(a)hotmail.com (Do not send E-mail to the hotmail address.)

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Re: [gutvol-d] Indexing Editors, etc.
by D. Starner 19 Sep '04

19 Sep '04

Andrew Sly writes: > I did make a > judgement call in some cases. For instance, recording someone > who wrote an introduction as a "contributor". It seems odd that there should be a judgement call here (and it's one I've run into in the copyright clearances, too). A lot of books have introductions, and there should be a standard way of noting them. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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re: Re: [gutvol-d] Indexing Editors, etc.
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 19 Sep '04

19 Sep '04

greg said: > I am not sure we can automate things > much more than they are already, this speaks volumes. (look, a pun!) in my ever-humble opinion, you _need_ to create files that _can_ be parsed unambiguously. and the number-one test of that is whether _you_ can parse 'em. a digital library where every book has to be handled _individually_ sacrifices far too much potential. > I expect that these types of problems > will go away when we eventually start > having richer (or at least better formatted) > metadata in eBook files "born as XML," > but with our current procedure there's > a little too much variety in the eBook layout, > author names/roles, and so forth to be able to > create completely automatic catalog entries > from the eBooks themselves. no comment. -bowerbird

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