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re: [gutvol-d] Linking to PG policy
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

there are a lot of deep links already out there, aren't there? it would be an unnecessary shame to break them, wouldn't it? -bowerbird

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Fwd: Re: [gutvol-d] Linking to PG policy
by Greg Newby 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

Forwarding. ----- Forwarded message from Michael Hart <hart(a)pglaf.org> ----- From: Michael Hart <hart(a)pglaf.org> To: Greg Newby <gbnewby(a)pglaf.org> Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Linking to PG policy Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Personally, I think that disallowing direct linking to our files will encourage traffice to other sites that do allow for click-throughs to our eBooks. . .such as Google, just to mention one sort of thing. You can forward to the list if you like. Michael ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: [gutvol-d] Top 100
by Joshua Hutchinson 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Hart <hart(a)pglaf.org> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:50:07 -0700 (PDT) To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Top 100 > > It turns out I had to disqualify those as well as a few others that have mp3 > > files and use the word "House" in the title. (Moreover, research has shown > > that "Usher" is a rap artist. :-) > > OK, perhaps I was just expecting something more serious here, but. . . . > > I would include all files, not sure why to disqualtify MP3 files, or "house" > remixes. . .hee hee! > > I think we should measure everything, though I think sub-lists would > be acceptable. . .such as the "Whole Top 100," then fiction, non-fiction, > .txt files, .htm files, .mp3 files, etc., etc., etc., > The numbers are inflated because people probably hit Google, typed mp3 and usher, and downloaded our file. The *thought* they were getting a music file by a popular artist, not a computer read version of the House of Usher. So, they most likely moved the file to the recycle bin immediately. That, and the RIAA probably hit our file half a billion times to check if it WAS an usher song. I'm surprised we haven't received any automated cease and desist letters from the brain trust lawyers at the RIAA. After all, by their normal logic, if it has USHER in the title, it must be their song. Josh

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Linking to PG policy
by Marcello Perathoner 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Wrote a page about linking policy. http://www.gutenberg.net/howto-link That leaves us with the question of how to deal with the many "Project Gutenberg Multiplexer" sites that offer independent search facilities for PG books. Most of those do deep linking to the files. Requiring them to link to the bibrec page would be pretty much counterintuitive because their reason of existence is to provide a search interface of their own. Should we require them to prominently display a live link to our main page along with any search results? -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster(a)gutenberg.net

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[Fwd: Demande de liens pour pages d'auteurs]
by Marcello Perathoner 12 Sep '04

12 Sep '04

Anybody fluent enough in French to answer this? I think he wants to set links to our pages. No problem. He should use the canonical link form: www.gutenberg.net/etext/12345 -------- Original Message -------- Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:46:59 +0200 To: webmaster(a)gutenberg.net From: zemirline_mohamed <zemirline_mohamed(a)yahoo.fr> Subject: Demande de liens pour pages d'auteurs Monsieur, J'ai l'Honneur de vous demander de bien vouloir m'autoriser d'avoir des liens directs à quelques livres électroniques de votre site. En effet, je prépare un petit site pour les livres gratuits et votre aide me serait d'une très grande utilité. Pour l'instant j'ai un petit site pour les photos : "Tibhirine ou La Nature": http://membres.lycos.fr/tibhirine Veuillez croire Monsieur, en mon entière reconnaissance. zemirline_mohamed(a)yahoo.fr M.Zemirline -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster(a)gutenberg.net

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Re: FW: [gutvol-d] [Fwd: Demande de liens pour pages d'auteurs]
by Greg Newby 12 Sep '04

12 Sep '04

(Forwarding to the list). On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 08:13:34PM -0500, John Hagerson wrote: > Many sites demand notification for any link (even to the home page). Because > PG specifically does NOT want to be asked, maybe it would be helpful to put > a short notice along the lines of "you are welcome to link to our home page; > please don't tax our small, volunteer staff by telling us that you plan to > do so; while we can't stop you, we would consider it impolite if you linked > to any other page on our site other than the home page." > > Just a thought. I'm a software engineer, not a lawyer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: gutvol-d-bounces(a)lists.pglaf.org > [mailto:gutvol-d-bounces@lists.pglaf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Newby > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 5:32 PM > To: gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] [Fwd: Demande de liens pour pages d'auteurs] > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 07:47:23PM +0200, Carlo Traverso wrote: > > >>>>> "Marcello" == Marcello Perathoner <marcello(a)perathoner.de> writes: > > > > Marcello> Anybody fluent enough in French to answer this? > > > > Marcello> I think he wants to set links to our pages. No > > Marcello> problem. He should use the canonical link form: > > Marcello> www.gutenberg.net/etext/12345 > > > > > > Yes, he asks the permission to have direct links to PG books. The PG > > policy should be stated in some obvious place, accessible from the > > front page. We have a robots link and not a link for "terms and > > conditions". We should state there how to link to PG books; for > > example, is linking to www.gutenberg.net/etext/12345/12345-h/12345.html > > permitted/forbidden/discouraged? So, should we answer "yes", or "yes, > > but", or "no, but", and on which basis? The exact question he poses is > > > > "I am honored to ask you to be willing to authorize me to have direct > > links to some ebooks in your site". > > > > The rest is a presentation of his site. > > Here's a little blurb I send out, but we don't have it on the Web pages > anywhere: > > > Thanks for taking the time to request permission for a link to Project > Gutenberg, as below. However, no such permission is required, and we > do believe it is a poor precedent for Project Gutenberg to grant it. > > As you probably know, there have been a few legal attempts to block > linking, especially "deep" linking. At least one legal case, in the > UK, was won and one organization was subsequently blocked from deep > linking to another. > > However, in the US there is neither a body of case law nor any state > or federal regulations that we are aware of that would require > permission to set up a hyperlink. > > Project Gutenberg does not encourage deep linking to our Web site and, > in some cases, has actively discouraged it. But a link to the main > page, http://www.gutenberg.net, would be most welcome, and will help > to distribute our free electronic texts. > > Project Gutenberg has no interest or desire to grant permission to any > site linking to us, as it would be a serious burden to our volunteer > staff and set a dangerous precedent from a legal viewpoint. > > Thus, we would like to encourage you to link to Project Gutenberg. In > addition, would be thrilled for you to download all 15000+ eBooks for > your internal use (within the licensing restrictions you will find at > the top of each eBook, see http://gutenberg.net/license) > > Also, note that it is our policy to not provide hyperlinks, ads > or other materials on our Web site or in our FTP collection, except > as it pertains to the collection itself. In other words, we will > not reciprocate with a link to your site, or mention of your site. > > Finally, since you are interested in free etexts, we would like > to invite you to visit our Volunteer's area at http://gutenberg.net > to see how you or your organization could help in bringing great > literature to the world without cost. > > Again, thanks for your interest in Project Gutenberg. > > > > > Marcello> -------- Original Message -------- Date: Fri, 10 Sep > > Marcello> 2004 09:46:59 +0200 To: webmaster(a)gutenberg.net From: > > Marcello> zemirline_mohamed <zemirline_mohamed(a)yahoo.fr> Subject: > > Marcello> Demande de liens pour pages d'auteurs > > > > > > Marcello> Monsieur, > > > > Marcello> J'ai l'Honneur de vous demander de bien vouloir > > Marcello> m'autoriser d'avoir des liens directs à quelques livres > > Marcello> électroniques de votre site. En effet, je prépare un > > Marcello> petit site pour les livres gratuits et votre aide me > > Marcello> serait d'une très grande utilité. Pour l'instant j'ai > > Marcello> un petit site pour les photos : "Tibhirine ou La > > Marcello> Nature": http://membres.lycos.fr/tibhirine Veuillez > > Marcello> croire Monsieur, en mon entière reconnaissance. > > > > Marcello> zemirline_mohamed(a)yahoo.fr M.Zemirline > > > > > > > > > > Marcello> -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster(a)gutenberg.net > > > > Marcello> _______________________________________________ gutvol-d > > Marcello> mailing list gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > > Marcello> http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gutvol-d mailing list > > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d

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gutvol-d list does not set Reply-To header
by Marcello Perathoner 11 Sep '04

11 Sep '04

Replies to posts will only get to the originator and not to the list. -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster(a)gutenberg.net

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Re: [gutvol-d] [Fwd: Demande de liens pour pages d'auteurs]
by Joshua Hutchinson 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Sorry, I tried to run it through BabelFish to see if I was remembering my old French classes correctly. I came away more confused by BabelFish's english translation than I was trying to puzzle out the French! Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcello Perathoner <marcello(a)perathoner.de> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:41:00 +0200 To: Project Gutenberg volunteer discussion <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> Subject: [gutvol-d] [Fwd: Demande de liens pour pages d'auteurs] > Anybody fluent enough in French to answer this? > > I think he wants to set links to our pages. No problem. He should use > the canonical link form: www.gutenberg.net/etext/12345 > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:46:59 +0200 > To: webmaster(a)gutenberg.net > From: zemirline_mohamed <zemirline_mohamed(a)yahoo.fr> > Subject: Demande de liens pour pages d'auteurs > > > Monsieur, > > J'ai l'Honneur de vous demander de bien vouloir m'autoriser d'avoir > des liens directs > à quelques livres électroniques de votre site. > En effet, je prépare un petit site pour les livres gratuits et votre aide > me serait d'une très > grande utilité. > Pour l'instant j'ai un petit site pour les photos : "Tibhirine ou La > Nature": > http://membres.lycos.fr/tibhirine > Veuillez croire Monsieur, en mon entière reconnaissance. > > zemirline_mohamed(a)yahoo.fr > M.Zemirline > > > > > -- > Marcello Perathoner > webmaster(a)gutenberg.net > > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d >

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xml to Braille translator
by Tony Baechler 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

Hello. My understanding is that eventually PG will switch to some form of xml for all the ebooks, so the below package might be useful for making Braille embosser ready files for the blind. The only problem might be with creating the semantic files it requires, but if PG is using a standard xml format anyway, this would only have to be done a few times. Computers to Hepp People, Inc. is proud to announce release 0.2 of the xml2brl program, which translates files in xml or plain text into brf files suitable for direct printing on a braille embosser. It now handles some math. Below is the README file for the program, which gives details of usage. To download the program, go to www.chpi.org/whatsnew.html Note that I am not including the somewhat long readme file here.

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an interesting but complicated source for audio books
by Aaron Cannon 06 Sep '04

06 Sep '04

I had an idea today on how we might be able to substantially increase our collection of human read audio books. The National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped (a division of the LOC) has recorded thousands of titles. They are (obviously) a governmental organization. As such, the audio recordings would not be copyrighted. The only part of the production which may be copyrighted would be the underlying books which were read. So, let's say that, for example, they have the book Dracula. However, the book which they read from was copyright 1981. Would it still be possible to add the audio book to the collection if the text in our public domain version was so similar to the audio recording as to be indistinguishable? Like I said before, I realize that this is a complicated question, but I feel it's worth investigating, as it could add great value to our collection. Sincerely Aaron Cannon -- E-mail: cannona(a)fireantproductions.com Skype: cannona MSN Messenger: cannona(a)hotmail.com (Do not send E-mail to the hotmail address.)

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