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Generated HTML files
by Lee Passey 27 Feb '12

27 Feb '12

As part of my efforts to develop a consistent markup schema for HTML files, and to create a method for automatic conversion to practical formats such as ePub and Kindle, I have reviewed many of the automatic conversions now available at Project Gutenberg, as well as several of the "snowflake" versions produced by the Widger/Haines consortium. My conclusion is that for almost all purposes the automatic conversion is superior to any one of the multiple Widger versions. This conclusion leads to two questions: 1. How can I get an automated HTML conversion of a text which has a hand-crafted HTML version? 2. Does the automated HTML conversion tool set exist on readingroo.ms, so I can execute it locally in that environment?

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rewrapping p.g. to an existing scan-set
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 26 Feb '12

26 Feb '12

i recently rewrapped the p.g. version of "pride and prejudice" to the linebreaks from a scan-set of that book on archive.org. > http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/1342/pg1342.txt > http://www.archive.org/details/prideprejudiceno00austuoft this allowed me to easily compare the o.c.r. from the scan-set to the p.g. e-text. that comparison confirms that the two texts are from different _editions_ of the book, as carlo had indicated. most of the changes appear to be the type an editor would make -- transpositions, grammar, spellings, punctuation, and so on -- although i suppose it's possible some were made by the author... i have appended a list of 858 of these changes, all of which involve some kind of change to the text of the line, ignoring punctuation and spelling (visitor/visiter, judgement/judgment). (actually, it looks like i can only send the first 200 of 'em. but that's probably more than enough to give you the flavor.) *** checking these diffs against the scans would give rather good assurance that the corrected o.c.r. was adequately accurate... that is, if there _are_ errors, they are probably shown here. there were only a few places where edits were so large that they caused even a minor problem for this line-diff method. *** and this illustrates how somebody -- even your competitor -- could use a p.g. text to create their own more-accurate text, one that was linked with a scan-set and thus had provenance. if you let a competitor do this, before you do it yourself, you are allowing yourself to be upstaged in the marketplace. -bowerbird > text diffs between p.g. "pride and prejudice" and archive.org scanset o.c.r. > these diffs _probably_ represent version edits made between the two editions. > (but some of 'em are merely still-uncorrected errors made by the o.c.r. app.) > many spelling and punctuation differences were eliminated from this listing. > > pg--000--00000 -- || page 1 || > > pg--000--00002 -- Chapter 1 > ao--000--00002 -- Chapter I. > df--000--00002 -- =========^^ > > pg--001--00010 -- families, that he is considered the rightful property of > ao--001--00010 -- families, that he is considered as the rightful property of > df--001--00010 -- ================================^^------------------------- > > pg--002--00023 -- "Do you not want to know who has taken it?" cried > ao--002--00023 -- "Do not you want to know who has taken it?" cried > df--002--00023 -- ====^=^=^=^-------------------------------------- > > pg--002--00040 -- || page 2 || > > pg--003--00065 -- them, Mr. Bingley may like you the best of the party." > ao--003--00065 -- them, Mr. Bingley might like you the best of the party." > df--003--00065 -- ===================^^^^--------------------------------- > > pg--003--00096 -- || page 3 || > > pg--004--00107 -- no compassion for my poor nerves." > ao--004--00107 -- no compassion on my poor nerves." > df--004--00107 -- ==============^^^----------------- > > pg--005--00111 -- you mention them with consideration these last twenty years at > ao--005--00111 -- you mention them with consideration these twenty years at > df--005--00111 -- ==========================================^^^^---------------- > > pg--006--00130 -- cult to develop. She was a woman of mean understand- > ao--006--00130 -- cult to develope. She was a woman of mean understand- > df--006--00130 -- ===============^------------------------------------- > > pg--006--00136 -- Chapter 2 > ao--006--00136 -- Chapter II. > df--006--00136 -- =========^^^ > > pg--006--00143 -- || page 4 || > > pg--007--00154 -- shall meet him at the assemblies, and that Mrs. Long > ao--007--00154 -- shall meet him at the assemblies, and that Mrs. Long has > df--007--00154 -- ====================================================^^^^ > > pg--008--00179 -- "Aye, so it is," cried her mother, "and Mrs. Long > ao--008--00179 -- "Ay, so it is," cried her mother, "and Mrs. Long > df--008--00179 -- ===^--------------------------------------------- > > pg--009--00195 -- and her daughters must stand their chance; and, therefore, > ao--009--00195 -- and her nieces must stand their chance; and, therefore, > df--009--00195 -- ========^^^^^^^^------------------------------------------ > > pg--009--00198 -- || page 5 || > > pg--010--00210 -- Mary wished to say something sensible, but knew > ao--010--00210 -- Mary wished to say something very sensible, but knew > df--010--00210 -- =============================^=^^------------------- > > pg--011--00219 -- me that before? If I had known as much this morning I > ao--011--00219 -- me so before? If I had known as much this morning, I > df--011--00219 -- ===^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=^^^-- > > pg--012--00244 -- can tell you, to be making new acquaintances every day; > ao--012--00244 -- can tell you, to be making new acquaintance every day; > df--012--00244 -- ===========================================^----------- > > pg--012--00248 -- || page 6 || > > pg--012--00257 -- Chapter 3 > ao--012--00257 -- Chapter III. > df--012--00257 -- =========^^^^ > > pg--013--00289 -- An invitation to dinner was soon afterwards dispatched; > ao--013--00289 -- An invitation to dinner was soon afterwards despatched; > df--013--00289 -- =============================================^--------- > > pg--013--00291 -- || page 7 || > > pg--014--00307 -- twelve he brought only six with him from London-- > ao--014--00307 -- twelve, he had brought only six with him from London, > df--014--00307 -- ======^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=^^^^^^^^=^=^^^^^==^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > pg--015--00309 -- the assembly room it consisted of only five altogether-- > ao--015--00309 -- the assembly-room, it consisted of only five all together; > df--015--00309 -- ============^====^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=^^^^^ > > pg--015--00334 -- || page 8 || > > pg--016--00353 -- her to hear a conversation between him and Mr. > ao--016--00353 -- her to overhear a conversation between him and Mr. > df--016--00353 -- =======^^^=--------------------------------------- > > pg--017--00368 -- "I would not be so fastidious as you are," cried Mr. Bingley, > ao--017--00368 -- "I would not be so fastidious as you are," cried Bingley, > df--017--00368 -- =================================================^^^--------- > > pg--017--00382 -- || page 9 || > > pg--018--00385 -- handsome enough to tempt _me_; I am in no humour > ao--018--00385 -- handsome enough to tempt me; and I am in no humour > df--018--00385 -- =========================^^^^^^^------------------ > > pg--019--00393 -- toward him. She told the story, however, with great spirit > ao--019--00393 -- towards him. She told the story, however, with great spirit > df--019--00393 -- ======^---------------------------------------------------- > > pg--020--00406 -- enough never to be without partners, which was all that they > ao--020--00406 -- enough to be never without partners, which was all that they > df--020--00406 -- =======^^^^^=^^^^^------------------------------------------ > > pg--021--00414 -- that his wife's views on the stranger would be disap- > ao--021--00414 -- that all his wife's views on the stranger would be disap- > df--021--00414 -- =====^^^------------------------------------------------- > > pg--022--00415 -- pointed; but he soon found out that he had a different > ao--022--00415 -- pointed; but he soon found that he had a very different > df--022--00415 -- ===========================^^^^^=^^^^^=^^^^^^---------- > > pg--022--00426 -- || page 10 || > > pg--023--00442 -- "Oh! my dear, I am quite > ao--023--00442 -- "Oh, my dear," continued Mrs. Bennet, "I am quite > df--023--00442 -- ===^=========^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^---------- > > pg--023--00463 -- Chapter 4 > ao--023--00463 -- Chapter IV. > df--023--00463 -- =========^^^ > > pg--024--00467 -- pressed to her sister just how very much she admired him. > ao--024--00467 -- pressed to her sister how very much she admired him. > df--024--00467 -- ======================^^^^------------------------------- > > pg--024--00468 -- || page 11 || > > pg--025--00496 -- heard you speak ill of a human being in your life." > ao--025--00496 -- heard you speak ill of a human being in my life." > df--025--00496 -- ========================================^^^^------- > > pg--026--00498 -- "I would not wish to be hasty in censuring anyone; > ao--026--00498 -- "I would wish not to be hasty in censuring any one; > df--026--00498 -- =========^^^^^^^^=============================^---- > > pg--026--00519 -- || page 12 || > > pg--027--00522 -- judgement too unassailed by any attention to herself, she > ao--027--00522 -- judgment, too, unassailed by any attention to herself, she > df--027--00522 -- ====^^^^^====^-------------------------------------------- > > pg--028--00525 -- they were pleased, nor in the power of making themselves agreeable > ao--028--00525 -- they were pleased, nor in the power of being agreeable > df--028--00525 -- =======================================^^^^^^^^^=^^^=^^^---------- > > pg--029--00526 -- when they chose it, but proud and conceited. They were > ao--029--00526 -- where they chose it; but proud and conceited. They were > df--029--00526 -- = ==^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^----------------------------------- > > pg--030--00548 -- His sisters were anxious for his having an estate > ao--030--00548 -- His sisters were very anxious for his having an estate > df--030--00548 -- =================^^^^--------------------------------- > > pg--031--00549 -- of his own; but, though he was now only established as a > ao--031--00549 -- of his own; but though he was now established only as a > df--031--00549 -- ===============^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=^^^^^^^^^----- > > pg--032--00562 -- ship, in spite of great opposition of character. Bingley > ao--032--00562 -- ship, in spite of a great opposition of character. Bingley > df--032--00562 -- ==================^--------------------------------------- > > pg--032--00563 -- || page 13 || > > pg--033--00576 -- fense. > ao--033--00576 -- fence. > df--033--00576 -- ===^-- > > pg--034--00580 -- met with more pleasant people or prettier girls in his life; > ao--034--00580 -- met with pleasanter people or prettier girls in his life; > df--034--00580 -- =========^^^^^^^^^^^^^-------------------------------------- > > pg--035--00593 -- a sweet girl, and one whom they would not object to know > ao--035--00593 -- a sweet girl, and one whom they should not object to know > df--035--00593 -- ================================^^----------------------- > > pg--036--00595 -- sweet girl, and their brother felt authorized by such com- > ao--036--00595 -- sweet girl; and their brother felt authorised by such com- > df--036--00595 -- ==========^===============================^--------------- > > pg--036--00598 -- Chapter 5 > ao--036--00598 -- Chapter V. > df--036--00598 -- =========^^ > > pg--036--00603 -- || page 14 || > > pg--037--00608 -- in a small market town; and, in quitting them both, he had > ao--037--00608 -- in a small market town; and, quitting them both, he had > df--037--00608 -- =============================^^--------------------------- > > pg--038--00648 -- tion: 'Oh! the eldest Miss Bennet, beyond a doubt; there > ao--038--00648 -- tion, Oh, the eldest Miss Bennet, beyond a doubt: there > df--038--00648 -- ====^=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=^^^^=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^------ > > pg--039--00649 -- cannot be two opinions on that point.'" > ao--039--00649 -- cannot be two opinions on that point." > df--039--00649 -- =====================================^- > > pg--039--00650 -- || page 15 || > > pg--040--00652 -- "Upon my word! Well, that is very decided in- > ao--040--00652 -- "Upon my word! Well, that was very decided, in- > df--040--00652 -- ==========================^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^---- > > pg--041--00661 -- "I beg you would not put it into Lizzy's head to be vexed > ao--041--00661 -- "I beg you will not put it into Lizzy's head to be vexed > df--041--00661 -- ============^^=^----------------------------------------- > > pg--042--00671 -- "Aye--because she asked him at last how he liked > ao--042--00671 -- "Ay, because she asked him at last how he liked > df--042--00671 -- ===^^^------------------------------------------ > > pg--043--00673 -- said he seemed quite angry at being spoke to." > ao--043--00673 -- said he seemed very angry at being spoke to." > df--043--00673 -- ===============^^^^^-------------------------- > > pg--044--00676 -- speaks much, unless among his intimate acquaintances. With > ao--044--00676 -- speaks much unless among his intimate acquaintance. With > df--044--00676 -- ===========^^^^^^=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^------ > > pg--044--00701 -- || page 16 || > > pg--045--00721 -- bottle of wine a day." > ao--045--00721 -- bottle of wine every day." > df--045--00721 -- ===============^^^^=------ > > pg--045--00731 -- Chapter 6 > ao--045--00731 -- Chapter VI. > df--045--00731 -- =========^^^ > > pg--046--00734 -- field. The visit was soon returned in due form. Miss Bennet's > ao--046--00734 -- field. The visit was returned in due form. Miss Bennet's > df--046--00734 -- =====================^^^^------------------------------------ > > pg--046--00744 -- || page 17 || > > pg--047--00753 -- a composure of temper and a uniform cheerfulness of man- > ao--047--00753 -- a composure of temper and an uniform cheerfulness of man- > df--047--00753 -- ===========================^----------------------------- > > pg--048--00768 -- agement. In nine cases out of ten a women had better show > ao--048--00768 -- agement. In nine cases out of ten, a woman had better show > df--048--00768 -- =================================^^^^^^^^----------------- > > pg--048--00790 -- || page 18 || > > pg--049--00791 -- of him, there will be more leisure for falling in love as much as > ao--049--00791 -- of him, there will he leisure for falling in love as much as > df--049--00791 -- ===================^==^^^---------------------------------------- > > pg--050--00803 -- dined with him in company four times. This is not quite > ao--050--00803 -- dined in company with him four times. This is not quite > df--050--00803 -- ======^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^------------------------------ > > pg--051--00809 -- have also been spent together--and four evenings may > ao--051--00809 -- have been also spent together and four evenings may > df--051--00809 -- =====^^^^=^^^^===============^^--------------------- > > pg--051--00837 -- || page 19 || > > pg--052--00842 -- and his friends that she hardly had a good feature in her > ao--052--00842 -- and his friends that she had hardly a good feature in her > df--052--00842 -- ===========================^^^^^^^^---------------------- > > pg--053--00878 -- "Did you not think, Mr. Darcy, that I expressed myself > ao--053--00878 -- "Did not you think, Mr. Darcy, that I expressed myself > df--053--00878 -- =====^=^=^=^------------------------------------------ > > pg--054--00882 -- "With great energy; but it is always a subject which > ao--054--00882 -- "With great energy; but it is a subject which always > df--054--00882 -- ===============================^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > pg--054--00884 -- || page 20 || > > pg--055--00900 -- "There is a fine old saying, which everybody here > ao--055--00900 -- "There is a very fine old saying, which every body here > df--055--00900 -- ============^^^^=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^--------- > > pg--056--00926 -- versation, and was too much engrossed by his thoughts > ao--056--00926 -- versation, and was too much engrossed by his own thoughts > df--056--00926 -- =============================================^^^--------- > > pg--056--00932 -- || page 21 || > > pg--057--00934 -- society." > ao--057--00934 -- societies." > df--057--00934 -- ======^^^-- > > pg--058--00962 -- "I had once had some thought of fixing in town myself-- > ao--058--00962 -- "I had once some thoughts of fixing in town myself, > df--058--00962 -- ============^^^^^^^^^^=^^^^^=^^^^^^^^^=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > pg--059--00969 -- stant moving towards them, he was struck with the action > ao--059--00969 -- stant moving towards them, he was struck with the notion > df--059--00969 -- ==================================================^^---- > > pg--060--00972 -- "My dear Miss Eliza, why are you not dancing? Mr. > ao--060--00972 -- "My dear Miss Eliza, why are not you dancing? Mr. > df--060--00972 -- =============================^=^=^=^------------- > > pg--060--00987 -- || page 22 || > > pg--061--01016 -- thingness, and yet the self-importance of all those people! > ao--061--01016 -- thingness, and yet the self-importance of all these people! > df--061--01016 -- ================================================^---------- > > pg--062--01040 -- "Nay, if you are serious about it, I shall consider > ao--062--01040 -- "Nay, if you are so serious about it, I shall consider > df--062--01040 -- ==================^----------------------------------- > > pg--062--01041 -- || page 23 || > > pg--063--01042 -- the matter is absolutely settled. You will be having a charming > ao--063--01042 -- the matter as absolutely settled. You will have a charming > df--063--01042 -- ===========^===============================^^^^^^^^^----------- > > pg--064--01043 -- mother-in-law, indeed; and, of course, she will always be at > ao--064--01043 -- mother-in-law, indeed, and of course she will be always at > df--064--01043 -- =====================^====^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^--- > > pg--064--01050 -- Chapter 7 > ao--064--01050 -- Chapter VII. > df--064--01050 -- =========^^^^ > > pg--064--01081 -- || page 24 || > > pg--065--01088 -- them all, and this opened to his nieces a store of felicity > ao--065--01088 -- them all, and this opened to his nieces a source of felicity > df--065--01088 -- ===========================================^^=^------------- > > pg--065--01131 -- || page 25 || > > pg--066--01159 -- as soon as you can on receipt of this. My brother and > ao--066--01159 -- as soon as you can on the receipt of this. My brother and > df--066--01159 -- ======================^^^-------------------------------- > > pg--066--01184 -- || page 26 || > > pg--067--01186 -- they not?" > ao--067--01186 -- not they?" > df--067--01186 -- ^^^^^^^^-- > > pg--068--01216 -- till I am better. They insist also on my seeing > ao--068--01216 -- home till I am better. They insist also on my seeing > df--068--01216 -- ^^^^=----------------------------------------------- > > pg--069--01222 -- --Yours, etc." > ao--069--01222 -- "Yours," c. > df--069--01222 -- ^^^^^^^^=^^^^^ > > pg--070--01230 -- "Oh! I am not afraid of her dying. People do > ao--070--01230 -- "Oh, I am not at all afraid of her dying. People do > df--070--01230 -- ===^===========^^=^^------------------------------- > > pg--070--01232 -- || page 27 || > > pg--070--01283 -- || page 28 || > > pg--071--01300 -- attempt little besides expressions of gratitude for the ex- > ao--071--01300 -- attempt little beside expressions of gratitude for the ex- > df--071--01300 -- =====================^------------------------------------- > > pg--072--01322 -- the offer of the chaise to an invitation to remain at > ao--072--01322 -- the offer of the chaise into an invitation to remain at > df--072--01322 -- ========================^^----------------------------- > > pg--073--01324 -- consented, and a servant was dispatched to Longbourn > ao--073--01324 -- consented, and a servant was despatched to Longbourn, > df--073--01324 -- ==============================^=====================^ > > pg--073--01327 -- || page 29 || > > pg--073--01329 -- Chapter 8 > ao--073--01329 -- Chapter VIII. > df--073--01329 -- =========^^^^^ > > pg--074--01342 -- them restored Elizabeth to the enjoyment of all her > ao--074--01342 -- them, restored Elizabeth to the enjoyment of all her origi- > df--074--01342 -- ====^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > pg--075--01343 -- former dislike. > ao--075--01343 -- nal dislike. > df--075--01343 -- ^^^^^^--------- > > pg--076--01354 -- drink, and play at cards; who, when he found her to prefer a > ao--076--01354 -- drink, and play at cards, who, when he found her prefer a > df--076--01354 -- ========================^========================^^--------- > > pg--077--01361 -- no conversation, no style, no beauty. Mrs. Hurst > ao--077--01361 -- no conversation, no style, no taste, no beauty. Mrs. Hurst > df--077--01361 -- ==============================^^^^------------------------ > > pg--077--01370 -- || page 30 || > > pg--078--01372 -- a cold? Her hair, so untidy, so blowsy!" > ao--078--01372 -- a cold? Her hair so untidy, so blowzy!" > df--078--01372 -- ================^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^--- > > pg--079--01408 -- "I have an excessive regard for Miss Jane Bennet, she is > ao--079--01408 -- "I have an excessive regard for Jane Bennet, she is > df--079--01408 -- ================================^^^^-------------------- > > pg--079--01424 -- || page 31 || > > pg--080--01435 -- With a renewal of tenderness, however, they returned to > ao--080--01435 -- With a renewal of tenderness, however, they repaired to > df--080--01435 -- ==============================================^^^^----- > > pg--081--01439 -- when she had the comfort of seeing her sleep, and when > ao--081--01439 -- when she had the comfort of seeing her asleep, and when > df--081--01439 -- =======================================^--------------- > > pg--082--01440 -- it seemed to her rather right than pleasant that she should > ao--082--01440 -- it appeared to her rather right than pleasant that she should > df--082--01440 -- ===^^^^^^---------------------------------------------------- > > pg--083--01461 -- said Bingley; "and I hope it will be soon increased by > ao--083--01461 -- said Bingley; "and I hope it will soon be increased by > df--083--01461 -- ==================================^^^^^^^------------- > > pg--084--01465 -- towards the table where a few books were lying. He imme- > ao--084--01465 -- towards a table where a few books were lying. He imme- > df--084--01465 -- ========^^^--------------------------------------------- > > pg--085--01471 -- I have not many, I have more than I ever looked into." > ao--085--01471 -- I have not many, I have more than I ever look into." > df--085--01471 -- =============================================^^------- > > pg--085--01475 -- || page 32 || > > pg--086--01510 -- Elizabeth was so much caught with what passed, as to > ao--086--01510 -- Elizabeth was so much caught by what passed, as to > df--086--01510 -- =============================^^^^------------------- > > pg--086--01530 -- || page 33 || > > pg--087--01547 -- dozen, in the whole range of my acquaintance, that are > ao--087--01547 -- dozen in the whole range of my acquaintance that arc > df--087--01547 -- =====^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > pg--087--01581 -- || page 34 || > > pg--088--01591 -- "Elizabeth Bennet," said Miss Bingley, when the door > ao--088--01591 -- "Eliza Bennet," said Miss Bingley, when the door > df--088--01591 -- ======^^^^------------------------------------------ > > pg--089--01599 -- was chiefly addressed, "there is a meanness in _all_ the arts > ao--089--01599 -- was chiefly addressed, "there is meanness in all the arts > df--089--01599 -- =================================^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^--------- > > pg--090--01608 -- Mr. Jones being sent for immediately; while his sisters, > ao--090--01608 -- Mr. Jones's being sent for immediately; while his sisters, > df--090--01608 -- =========^------------------------------------------------ > > pg--091--01619 -- his housekeeper directions that every attention > ao--091--01619 -- his housekeeper directions that every possible attention > df--091--01619 -- ======================================^^^^^^^^---------- > > pg--091--01621 -- || page 35 || > > pg--091--01623 -- Chapter 9 > ao--091--01623 -- Chapter IX. > df--091--01623 -- =========^^^ > > pg--092--01626 -- room, and in the morning had the pleasure of being able > ao--092--01626 -- room, and in the morning had the pleasure of being ahle > df--092--01626 -- ====================================================^-- > > pg--093--01633 -- judgement of her situation. The note was immediately > ao--093--01633 -- judgment of her situation. The note was immediately > df--093--01633 -- ====^----------------------------------------------- > > pg--094--01634 -- dispatched, and its contents as quickly complied with. > ao--094--01634 -- despatched, and its contents as quickly complied with. > df--094--01634 -- =^---------------------------------------------------- > > pg--095--01661 -- with cold civility, "that Miss Bennet will receive every > ao--095--01661 -- with cold civility, "that Miss Bennet shall receive every > df--095--01661 -- ======================================^^^---------------- > > pg--095--01663 -- || page 36 || > > pg--096--01672 -- temper I have ever met with. I often tell my other girls they > ao--096--01672 -- temper I ever met with. I often tell my other girls they > df--096--01672 -- =========^^^^------------------------------------------------ > > pg--097--01674 -- Bingley, and a charming prospect over the gravel walk. > ao--097--01674 -- Bingley, and a charming prospect over that gravel walk. > df--097--01674 -- ========================================^^------------- > > pg--098--01695 -- "That is as it happens. It does not follow > ao--098--01695 -- "That is as it happens. It does not necessarily follow > df--098--01695 -- ====================================^^^^^^^^^^^------- > > pg--099--01711 -- but a few subjects for such a study. In a country neigh- > ao--099--01711 -- but few subjects for such a study. In a country neigh- > df--099--01711 -- ====^--------------------------------------------------- > > pg--099--01717 -- || page 37 || > > pg--100--01731 -- places. The country is a vast deal pleasanter, is it not, > ao--100--01731 -- places. The country is a vast deal pleasanter, is not it, > df--100--01731 -- ==================================================^^^^^-- > > pg--101--01739 -- "Aye--that is because you have the right disposition. > ao--101--01739 -- "Ay, that is because you have the right disposition. > df--101--01739 -- ===^^^----------------------------------------------- > > pg--102--01746 -- to be met with in the country as in the town, which you must > ao--102--01746 -- to be met with in the country as in town, which you must > df--102--01746 -- =====================================^^--------------------- > > pg--103--01756 -- directed her eyes towards Mr. Darcy with a very expressive > ao--103--01756 -- directed her eye towards Mr. Darcy with a very expressive > df--103--01756 -- ================^----------------------------------------- > > pg--104--01764 -- much the man of fashion! So genteel and easy! He has > ao--104--01764 -- much the man of fashion! so genteel and so easy! He has > df--104--01764 -- ========================================^^------------- > > pg--104--01767 -- || page 38 || > > pg--105--01776 -- are brought up very differently. But everybody is to judge for > ao--105--01776 -- are brought up differently. But every body is to judge for > df--105--01776 -- ===============^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=-------------------- > > pg--106--01782 -- "She seems a very pleasant young woman." > ao--106--01782 -- "She seems a very pleasant young woman," said > df--106--01782 -- ======================================^=^^^^^ > > pg--107--01783 -- ?? line added here > ao--107--01783 -- Bingley. > df--107--01783 -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > pg--108--01790 -- partiality. When she was only fifteen, there was a ?? > ao--108--01790 -- partiality. When she was only fifteen there was a gentle- > df--108--01790 -- =====================================^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > pg--108--01816 -- || page 39 || > > pg--109--01832 -- a sort of natural self-consequence, which the attention > ao--109--01832 -- a sort of natural self-consequence, which the attentions > df--109--01832 -- =======================================================^ > > pg--110--01839 -- His answer to this sudden attack was delightful to their mo- > ao--110--01839 -- His answer to this sudden attack was delightful to her mo- > df--110--01839 -- ===================================================^^^^----- > > pg--111--01845 -- not wish to be dancing when she is ill." > ao--111--01845 -- not wish to be dancing while she is ill." > df--111--01845 -- =========================^^^------------- > > pg--111--01860 -- || page 40 || > > pg--111--01862 -- Chapter 10 > ao--111--01862 -- Chapter X. > df--111--01862 -- =========^^ > > pg--112--01871 -- peatedly calling off his attention by messages to his sister. > ao--112--01871 -- peatedly calling oft' his attention by messages to his sister. > df--112--01871 -- ===================^^----------------------------------------- > > pg--113--01881 -- dialogue, and was exactly in union with her opinion of > ao--113--01881 -- dialogue, and was exactly in unison with her opinion of > df--113--01881 -- ================================^---------------------- > > pg--114--01898 -- of yours." > ao--114--01898 -- of to yours." > df--114--01898 -- ===^=-------- > > pg--114--01912 -- || page 41 || > > pg--115--01963 -- ness is always prized much by the possessor, and often > ao--115--01963 -- ness is always much prized by the possessor, and often > df--115--01963 -- ===============^^^^^^^^^^^---------------------------- > > pg--115--01966 -- || page 42 || > > pg--116--01967 -- ever resolved upon quitting Netherfield you should be > ao--116--01967 -- ever resolved on quitting Netherfield you should be > df--116--01967 -- ==============^^------------------------------------- > > pg--117--01976 -- ing. And yet, upon my honour, I believe what I said of > ao--117--01976 -- ing. And yet, upon my honour, I believed what I said of > df--117--01976 -- =======================================^--------------- > > pg--118--01998 -- for he would certainly think better of me, if under > ao--118--01998 -- for he would certainly think the better of me, if, under > df--118--01998 -- =============================^^^^^^^^^^^^^=^^^^^^^------ > > pg--119--02003 -- original intentions as atoned for by your obstinacy in adher- > ao--119--02003 -- original intention as atoned for by your obstinacy in adher- > df--119--02003 -- ==================^------------------------------------------ > > pg--119--02014 -- || page 43 || > > pg--119--02062 -- || page 44 || > > pg--120--02075 -- ley and Elizabeth for an indulgence of some music. Miss > ao--120--02075 -- ley and Elizabeth for the indulgence of some music. Miss > df--120--02075 -- ======================^^^------------------------------- > > pg--121--02076 -- Bingley moved with some alacrity to the pianoforte; and, after a > ao--121--02076 -- Bingley moved with alacrity to the piano-forte, and after a > df--121--02076 -- ===================^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^==^^^-------- > > pg--122--02089 -- notice because there was something more wrong > ao--122--02089 -- notice because there was a something about her more wrong > df--122--02089 -- =========================^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^----------- > > pg--123--02108 -- in overthrowing those kind of schemes, and cheating a > ao--123--02108 -- in overthrowing those kinds of schemes, and cheating a > df--123--02108 -- ==========================^--------------------------- > > pg--123--02112 -- || page 45 || > > pg--124--02137 -- compass it, do cure the younger girls of running after > ao--124--02137 -- compass it, do cure the younger girls of running after the > df--124--02137 -- ======================================================^^^^ > > pg--125--02149 -- As for your Elizabeth's picture, you must not > ao--125--02149 -- As for your Elizabeth's picture, you must not attempt > df--125--02149 -- =============================================^^^^^^^- > > pg--126--02150 -- have it taken, for what painter could do justice to those > ao--126--02150 -- to have it taken, for what painter could do justice to those > df--126--02150 -- ^^^--------------------------------------------------------- > > pg--126--02164 -- || page 46 || > > pg--127--02181 -- bye." > ao--127--02181 -- by." > df--127--02181 -- ==^-- > > pg--127--02188 -- Chapter 11 > ao--127--02188 -- Chapter XI. > df--127--02188 -- =========^^^ > > pg--128--02203 -- toward Darcy, and she had something to say to him > ao--128--02203 -- towards Darcy, and she had something to say to him > df--128--02203 -- ======^------------------------------------------- > > pg--129--02205 -- self to Miss Bennet, with a polite congratulation; > ao--129--02205 -- self directly to Miss Bennet with a polite congratulation: > df--129--02205 -- =====^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > pg--130--02207 -- "very glad;" but diffuseness and warmth remained for > ao--130--02207 -- "very glad;" but diffuseiiess and warmth remained for > df--130--02207 -- ========================^^--------------------------- > > pg--130--02208 -- || page 47 || > > pg--131--02213 -- might be further from the door. He then sat down by her, > ao--131--02213 -- might be farther from the door. He then sat down by her, > df--131--02213 -- ==========^--------------------------------------------- > > pg--132--02246 -- for some amusement; when hearing her brother mentioning > ao--132--02246 -- of some amusement; when hearing her brother mentioning > df--132--02246 -- ^^^---------------------------------------------------- > > pg--133--02250 -- "By the bye, Charles, are you really serious in medi- > ao--133--02250 -- "By the by, Charles, are you really serious in medi- > df--133--02250 -- ==========^------------------------------------------ > > pg--133--02253 -- || page 48 || > > pg--134--02268 -- if conversation instead of dancing were made the order > ao--134--02268 -- if conversation instead of dancing made the order > df--134--02268 -- ===================================^^^=--------------- > > pg--135--02274 -- Miss Bingley made no answer, and soon afterwards she > ao--135--02274 -- Miss Bingley made no answer; and soon afterwards > df--135--02274 -- ===========================^====================^^^^ > > pg--135--02301 -- || page 49 || > > pg--136--02313 -- would be completely in your way, and if the second, I > ao--136--02313 -- should be completely in your way; and if the second, I > df--136--02313 -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^--------------------- > > pg--137--02327 -- of manner and presence of mind! No, no; I feel he may > ao--137--02327 -- of temper and presence of mind! No, no; I feel he may > df--137--02327 -- ===^^^^---------------------------------------------- > > pg--138--02335 -- many such acquaintances. I dearly love a laugh." > ao--138--02335 -- many such acquaintance. I dearly love a laugh." > df--138--02335 -- ======================^------------------------- > > pg--139--02337 -- "Miss Bingley," said he, "has given me more credit than > ao--139--02337 -- "Miss Bingley," said he, "has given me credit for > df--139--02337 -- =======================================^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > pg--140--02338 -- can be. The wisest and the best of men--nay, the > ao--140--02338 -- more than can be. The wisest and best of men, nay, the > df--140--02338 -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=^^^^^^^^^=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-------- > > pg--141--02344 -- what is wise and good. Follies and nonsense, whims and > ao--141--02344 -- what is wise or good. Follies and nonsense, whims and > df--141--02344 -- =============^^^-------------------------------------- > > pg--141--02350 -- || page 50 || > > pg--142--02373 -- vices of others so soon as I ought, nor their offenses against > ao--142--02373 -- vices of others so soon as I ought, nor their offences against > df--142--02373 -- ===================================================^---------- > > pg--143--02388 -- "And _your_ defect is to hate everybody." > ao--143--02388 -- "And your defect is a propensity to hate every body." > df--143--02388 -- =====^^^^^^^^=^^^^^^^=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^------ > > pg--144--02390 -- "And yours," he replied with a smile, "is willfully to > ao--144--02390 -- "And yours," he replied, with a smile, "is wilfully to > df--144--02390 -- =======================^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^--------- > > pg--145--02397 -- Her sister had not the smallest objection, and the > ao--145--02397 -- Her sister made not the smallest objection, and the > df--145--02397 -- ===========^==^------------------------------------ > > pg--145--02401 -- || page 51 || > > pg--145--02403 -- Chapter 12 > ao--145--02403 -- Chapter XII. > df--145--02403 -- =========^^^^ > > pg--146--02406 -- zabeth wrote the next morning to their mother, to beg that > ao--146--02406 -- zabeth wrote the next morning to her mother, to beg that > df--146--02406 -- =================================^^^^--------------------- > > pg--147--02407 -- the carriage might be sent for them in the course of the > ao--147--02407 -- the carriage might be sent for ihem in the course of the > df--147--02407 -- ===============================^------------------------ > > pg--148--02420 -- the contrary, as being considered as intruding themselves > ao--148--02420 -- the contrary, of being considered as intruding themselves > df--148--02420 -- ==============^^----------------------------------------- > > pg--148--02443 -- || page 52 || > > pg--149--02464 -- of spirits. > ao--149--02464 -- spirits. > df--149--02464 -- ^^^-------- > > pg--150--02478 -- rough-bass and human nature; and had some extracts > ao--150--02478 -- rough bass and human nature; and had some new extracts > df--150--02478 -- =====^====================================^^^--------- > > pg--150--02486 -- || page 53 || > > pg--150--02488 -- Chapter 13 > ao--150--02488 -- Chapter XIII. > df--150--02488 -- =========^^^^^ > > pg--151--02504 -- and a stranger! It is Mr. Bingley, I am sure! > ao--151--02504 -- and a stranger! It is Mr. Bingley, I am sure. Why, > df--151--02504 -- ============================================^^^^^^ > > pg--152--02505 -- ?? line added here > ao--152--02505 -- Jane you never dropped a word of this you sly thing! > df--152--02505 -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > pg--153--02515 -- pleasure of being eagerly questioned by his wife and his five > ao--153--02515 -- pleasure of being eagerly questioned by his wife and five > df--153--02515 -- =====================================================^=^----- > > pg--154--02528 -- "Oh! my dear," cried his wife, "I cannot bear to hear > ao--154--02528 -- "Oh, my dear," cried his wife, "I cannot bear to heal- > df--154--02528 -- ===^================================================^^ > > pg--155--02535 -- Jane and Elizabeth tried to explain to her the nature of > ao--155--02535 -- Jane and Elizabeth attempted to explain to her > df--155--02535 -- ===================^^^=^^=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > pg--155--02536 -- || page 54 || > > pg--156--02537 -- an entail. They had often attempted to do it before, > ao--156--02537 -- the nature of an entail. They had often attempted it before: > df--156--02537 -- ^^^^=^^^^^=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > pg--157--02550 -- "No, that I am sure I shall not; and I think it is > ao--157--02550 -- "No, that I am sure I shall not; and I think it was > df--157--02550 -- ================================================^^- > > pg--158--02552 -- hypocritical. I hate such false friends. Why could > ao--158--02552 -- hypocritical. I hate such false friends. Why could not > df--158--02552 -- ==================================================^^^^ > > pg--159--02553 -- he not keep on quarreling with you, as his father did before > ao--159--02553 -- he keep on quarrelling with you, as his father did before > df--159--02553 -- ===^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^--------------------------------------- > > pg--160--02570 -- to be at variance.--'There, Mrs. Bennet.'--My mind, > ao--160--02570 -- to be at variance. "There, Mrs. Bennet." My mind, > df--160--02570 -- ==================^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=^^^^^^^-------- > > pg--160--02582 -- || page 55 || > > pg--161--02584 -- flatter myself that my present overtures are > ao--161--02584 -- flatter myself that my present overtures of good-will are > df--161--02584 -- =========================================^^^^^^^^^^^^---- > > pg--162--02596 -- on your hospitality till the Saturday se'ennight following, > ao--162--02596 -- on your hospitality till the Saturday se'nnight following, > df--162--02596 -- =========================================^----------------- > > pg--163--02621 -- Elizabeth was chiefly struck by his extraordinary > ao--163--02621 -- Elizabeth was chiefly struck with his extraordinary > df--163--02621 -- =============================^^^=------------------ > > pg--163--02628 -- || page 56 || > > pg--164--02631 -- if he could.--Could he be a sensible man, sir?" > ao--164--02631 -- if he could. Can he be a sensible man, sir?" > df--164--02631 -- ============^^^^^^^---------------------------- > > pg--165--02638 -- "In point of composition," said Mary, "the letter does > ao--165--02638 -- "In point of composition," said Mary, "his letter does > df--165--02638 -- =======================================^^^------------ > > pg--166--02662 -- not doubt her seeing them all in due time disposed of > ao--166--02662 -- not doubt her seeing them all in due time well disposed of > df--166--02662 -- ==========================================^^^^------------ > > pg--167--02664 -- some of his hearers; but Mrs. Bennet, who quarreled with > ao--167--02664 -- some of his hearers; but Mrs. Bennet, who quarrelled with > df--167--02664 -- =================================================-------- > > pg--168--02667 -- "You are very kind, I am sure; and I wish with > ao--168--02667 -- "You are very kind, sir, I am sure; and I wish with > df--168--02667 -- ====================^^^---------------------------- > > pg--168--02676 -- || page 57 || > > pg--169--02695 -- which of his fair cousins the excellency of its cooking was > ao--169--02695 -- which of his fair cousins the excellence of its cookery was > df--169--02695 -- =======================================^============^^^---- > > pg--170--02696 -- owing. But he was set right there by Mrs. Bennet, who > ao--170--02696 -- owing. But here he was set right by Mrs. Bennet, who > df--170--02696 -- =============^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-------------------- > > pg--170--02704 -- Chapter 14 > ao--170--02704 -- Chapter XIV. > df--170--02704 -- =========^^^^ > > pg--170--02716 -- || page 58 || > > pg--171--02721 -- both of the discourses which he had already had the honour > ao--171--02721 -- both the discourses which he had already had the honour > df--171--02721 -- =====^^--------------------------------------------------- > > pg--172--02730 -- leaving the parish occasionally for a week or two, to visit > ao--172--02730 -- leaving his parish occasionally for a week or two to visit > df--172--02730 -- ========^^^======================================^--------- > > pg--173--02736 -- suggest some herself--some shelves in the closet up > ao--173--02736 -- suggest some herself, some shelves in the closets up > df--173--02736 -- ====================^^==========================^--- > > pg--174--02751 -- "She has only one daughter, the heiress of Rosings, and > ao--174--02751 -- "She has one only daughter, the heiress of Rosings, and > df--174--02751 -- ===========^^^^^^-------------------------------------- > > pg--175--02754 -- "Ah!" said Mrs. Bennet, shaking her head, "then > ao--175--02754 -- "Ah," cried Mrs. Bennet, shaking her head, "then > df--175--02754 -- ===^==^^=^-------------------------------------- > > pg--176--02762 -- lady of distinguished birth. She is unfortunately of a > ao--176--02762 -- woman of distinguished birth. She is unfortunately of a > df--176--02762 -- ^^^^^-------------------------------------------------- > > pg--176--02763 -- || page 59 || > > pg--177--02764 -- sickly constitution, which has prevented her from making that > ao--177--02764 -- sickly constitution, which has prevented her making that > df--177--02764 -- =============================================^^^^------------ > > pg--178--02766 -- have otherwise failed of, as I am informed by the lady > ao--178--02766 -- otherwise have failed of, as I am informed by the lady > df--178--02766 -- ^^^=^^^^=^^^^----------------------------------------- > > pg--179--02777 -- one day, has deprived the British court of its bright- > ao--179--02777 -- myself one day, has deprived the British court of its bright- > df--179--02777 -- ^^^^^^^------------------------------------------------------ > > pg--180--02802 -- cousin was as absurd as he had hoped, and he listened to > ao--180--02802 -- cousin was as absurd as he had hopejd; and he listened to > df--180--02802 -- ===================================^^^------------------- > > pg--180--02810 -- || page 60 || > > pg--181--02813 -- a book was produced; but, on beholding it (for everything > ao--181--02813 -- a hook was produced; but on beholding it (for every thing > df--181--02813 -- ==^=====================^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^----- > > pg--181--02849 -- || page 61 || > > pg--181--02851 -- Chapter 15 > ao--181--02851 -- Chapter XV. > df--181--02851 -- =========^^^ > > pg--182--02872 -- Having now a good house and a very sufficient income, he > ao--182--02872 -- Having now a good house and very sufficient income, he > df--182--02872 -- ============================^--------------------------- > > pg--183--02876 -- some and amiable as they were represented by common > ao--183--02876 -- same and amiable as they were represented by common > df--183--02876 -- =^------------------------------------------------- > > pg--184--02889 -- to the avowal of his hopes, that a mistress might be found > ao--184--02889 -- to the avowal of his hopes, that a mistress for it might be > df--184--02889 -- ============================================^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > pg--184--02890 -- || page 62 || > > pg--185--02891 -- for it at Longbourn, produced from her, amid very com- > ao--185--02891 -- found at Longbourn, produced from her, amid very com- > df--185--02891 -- ==^^^^------------------------------------------------ > > pg--186--02922 -- other room of the house, he was used to be free from them > ao--186--02922 -- other room in the house, he was used to be free from them > df--186--02922 -- ===========^^-------------------------------------------- > > pg--187--02926 -- a reader, was extremely pleased to close his large book, > ao--187--02926 -- a reader, was extremely well pleased to close his large book, > df--187--02926 -- ========================^^^^--------------------------------- > > pg--187--02934 -- || page 63 || > > pg--188--02940 -- gentlemanlike appearance, walking with another officer on the > ao--188--02940 -- gentlemanlike appearance, walking with an officer on the > df--188--02940 -- =========================================^^^^^--------------- > > pg--189--02942 -- concerning whose return from London Lydia came to in- > ao--189--02942 -- concerning whose return from London Lydia came to en- > df--189--02942 -- ==================================================^-- > > pg--190--02946 -- way across the street, under pretense of wanting something > ao--190--02946 -- way across the street, under pretence of wanting something > df--190--02946 -- ===================================^---------------------- > > pg--191--02956 -- had all the best part of beauty, a fine countenance, a good > ao--191--02956 -- had all the best parts of beauty, a fine countenance, a good > df--191--02956 -- =====================^-------------------------------------- > > pg--191--02976 -- || page 64 || > > pg--192--02985 -- ladies to the door of Mr. Phillip's house, and then made > ao--192--02985 -- ladies to the door of Mr. Philips's house, and then made > df--192--02985 -- ==============================^^^----------------------- > > pg--193--02987 -- they should come in, and even in spite of Mrs. Phillips's > ao--193--02987 -- they would come in, and even in spite of Mrs. Philips's > df--193--02987 -- =====^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^------ > > pg--194--03008 -- put to an end by exclamations and inquiries about the > ao--194--03008 -- put an end to by exclamations and enquiries about the > df--194--03008 -- ====^^=^=^^^^=====================^------------------ > > pg--195--03016 -- passed windows now except a few of the officers, who, > ao--195--03016 -- passed the windows now except a few of the officers, who, > df--195--03016 -- =======^^^----------------------------------------------- > > pg--195--03020 -- || page 65 || > > pg--196--03034 -- peared to be in the wrong, she could no more explain such be- > ao--196--03034 -- peared to be wrong, she could no more explain such be- > df--196--03034 -- =============^^^^^------------------------------------------- > > pg--197--03041 -- only received him with the utmost civility, but even > ao--197--03041 -- only received him with the utmost civility, but had even > df--197--03041 -- ================================================^^^----- > > pg--197--03048 -- Chapter 16 > ao--197--03048 -- Chapter XVI. > df--197--03048 -- =========^^^^ > > pg--197--03060 -- || page 66 || > > pg--198--03101 -- though it was only on its being a wet night, > ao--198--03101 -- though it was only on its being a wet night, and on the > df--198--03101 -- ============================================^^^^^^^^^^^ > > pg--199--03102 -- made her feel that the com- > ao--199--03102 -- probability of a rainy season, made her feel that the com- > df--199--03102 -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=^^^^^^^^--------------------------- > > pg--199--03103 -- || page 67 || > > pg--200--03114 -- When the card-tables were placed, he had the opportunity > ao--200--03114 -- When the card tables were placed, he had an o pportunity > df--200--03114 -- =============^===========================^^^------------

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twisty little maze
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 26 Feb '12

26 Feb '12

telling, isn't it, that even the technocrats get lost inside the "twisty little maze" of a fellow technocrat. quite an admission. and speaking of a damning admission, i see another one of my antagonists has conceded defeat (but not said it directly). i wondered why greg would be replying to a request by lee for a plain-text converter, so i dug out lee's post from my kill-folder, and i see that he's finally looked at enough of the p.g. snowflakes to grok the problem presented by so many inconsistent methods. welcome to the table for the grown-ups, lee. you've graduated from the naive kiddie table. so now, of course, like everyone else who has come down this very same path before he did, lee seeks to be rescued by the plain-text files, the same files he's been condemning for years. how is _that_ for your week's supply of irony? and then, to top off this dessert with a cherry, marcello tells lee there is only _one_ converter that can turn a plain-text file into .html. right. there are ten tons of text-to-html converters, and many of 'em are specialized for p.g. work, including "gutenmark" and the one in guiguts. there are also many light-markup solutions -- watch me rub lee's nose in his piddle, lurkers -- which are open-source and will do the job, perhaps better than the tools mentioned above. i see that the latest version of some of these light-markup converters output to .html5 now, and not the outdated (x)html you might prefer, lee, so you'll want to seek out earlier versions. plus they're open-source, so you can always build on one, to create the output you want... but do not let marcello convince you that his inferior converter is the only one you can use. -bowerbird p.s. before you go too far down that road, lee, you might wanna go back and read the archives, where i've detailed the problems that lie there... you can now read those posts with smarter eyes.

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Goals and scope (Re: Version control systems)
by Greg Newby 26 Feb '12

26 Feb '12

(New subject+thread) On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 08:54:18PM -0800, James Adcock wrote: > ... > Again, the direction I hear you guys heading in is that you-all want to > reinvent DP because you-all think you can improve-upon DP. Not saying you > can, not saying you can't. I'm just say that is not *what I heard* Greg > talking about. Thanks. This is just what I was thinking of pointing out (catching up on today's emails...). Below are details on what I was envisioning. The need I'm trying to address is reformatting or editing eBooks, not proofreading them. For starts, let's consider books that get into the PG collection in the usual way (i.e., culminating with a WWer posting them). I think we can do what's below while leaving the existing workflow out of scope. (It's not holy or untouchable or anything, just out of scope for what follows.) What I'd like is (as someone else nicely put it) a continual improvement opportunity, provided to essentially anyone, for eBooks in teh PG collection. This boils down to a handful of critical activities. It's mainly the third one (III) that involves crowdsourcing and new tools. I. making changes to the master file(s) [let's imagine that we retain the practice of every PG eBook having a small number of master files, in a small number of master formats]. The short list of master formats includes RST, HTML, TeX/TEI, and plain text (perhaps with light markup). Maybe this list will grow in the future; maybe it will shrink. The main feature here is that typos or fixes or additional master formats can be contributed. Challenges have been noted (revision wars; concurrent editing; bogus fixes; spam/inappropriate additions; inconsistent files...) II. from those master files, various other file formats can be [and are, currently] derived automatically. These include EPUB, Kindle variants, variations on HTML or text (especially if they were not previously provided), RTF, and a few others. Again, maybe this list will grow, maybe it will shrink. I do hope to offer conversion on-demand, which will let people select conversion options, and maybe even different conversion programs, for their purposes. The main features here mostly exist, but not as flexibly as I'd like to see. For example, applying a variant CSS. Or making a PDF with a specific font and paper size. Many challenges are technical, such as increased sophistication in dealing with text and HTML as master formats. Others need to be addressed by policy or social means, such as the ongoing tendency to use HTML for layout that is difficult to automatically convert. These, and others, have also been discussed deeply. III. from those master files, various other file formats that are created/contributed by individuals. I get offered these (via help@) practically every day. Usually EPUB, but also RTF/DOC, PDF. Often with typos applied. These are what I called "lovingly prepared," though of course some are better than others. These can be better than automatically-generated versions in various ways. They might have advantages over master files (for example, improved HTML). The main feature is that these would, in many cases, provide an improved reading experience (at least for some people, on some devices). If we accept that anyone could contribute such a new file (or set of files) for an existing PG eBook, then the main challenges I see are (a) how to help readers select among them, and (b) dealing with the fact that, over time, master formats will be fixed, but not these hand-crafted derivatives. I believe the solutions are related, and fairly easy. For (a), we need a community recommender system. Stars, batting average, +1, new/novell, etc. And, "dislike," "report a problem," "report abuse," etc. For (b), "time is on our side" (yes, it is). For a derivative format, we simply need to note when a master format was updated, but hand-derived ones were not. Plus, perhaps, a metric of how different the master format is from when the hand-derived one was created. Combined with (a), a recommendation would be attenuated based on such a metric. So, for example, a hand-derived file that gets a 90% quality rating from readers would slowly lose quality points as the master format is increasingly different. You get the idea... details TBD. Soooooooooooooooooo.... my main starting point was to ask about existing software for group editing. Version control systems seem a reasonable fit for this. Plus, sophisticated systems like TRAC also take care of managing users and their passwords. We do need to think of all the other stuff, but the basic idea was crowdsourcing for eBook formats/conversions/presentations. >From that standpoint, I've left many other (important!) things out of scope: proofreading (distributed or otherwise), tools for auto-conversion (we have some; others will plug-in but will be developed separately), and even arguments about master format (we have some, and better exposure of conversion tools and options will create a positive feedback loop to guide contributors to do a better job. And/or, open capabilities for OTHERS to fix the masters). Cataloging, metadata and supplemental info (such as author bios). Note especially that I don't envision developing tools to help potential contributors do the conversion. Not our bailiwick: there are entire ecosystems of tools already, and all we need to do is support the community of interested donors of resulting files (including pointing them at recommended tools). The PG toolchain for automated conversion should remain available (i.e., http://epubmaker.pglaf.org) I hope this helps clarify my original suggestion a little better. There has been some great discussion on this and related topics. -- Greg Dr. Gregory B. Newby Chief Executive and Director Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation www.gutenberg.org A 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization with EIN 64-6221541 gbnewby(a)pglaf.org

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update on zero markup
by Roger Frank 26 Feb '12

26 Feb '12

Here's an update on my "zero markup" experiment. The idea was to create a document in UTF-8 text with no markup. A program then "sees" what a human would see: poetry blocks, epigraphs, block quotes, footnotes, etc. and render the other-than-text output accordingly. I wrote enough code to produce three books that are currently in smoothreading at DP. The goal was to make something that would be very easy for post-processors to use, especially at DP where the backlog is significant. I'm not claiming success on this one, though it does work. For one thing, the plain text cannot represent things like font size changes. Having the title line in a larger font on the title page is an example where that would make a visible and welcomed difference. The zml approach, taken purely, will have no "rend" attribute on an element. I allow the user to add presentation hints to any line that is centered, but it feels like I'm breaking the rules. There are other complications. As it's written, it generates valid and attractive HTML and the text can go up as well to PG without modification. But I suspect the HTML wouldn't make it through the PG ebook chain that creates the .epub and .mobi files. I cannot make any single HTML that is correct as input to both epub and mobi generators without resorting to a very low common denominator (such as nbsp's for poetry). I could have the generator make 3 separate files to be used for HTML and as inputs to epub and mobi generators. But PG understandably won't take that nor will they take actual .epub or .mobi files, also for good reasons. My choices are (1) abandon this and use RST for what's going to PG, or (2) find out what HTML will make it through PGs epub and mobi creating software so it doesn't fall out and use the text version instead. DP has a project underway to define the HTML subset that makes (2) work, which is very important to their PPers, most of which will not use PG-RST. PG-RST also isn't a good solution to produce books for other-than-PG repositories, such as for PG Canada. Bottom line: I have written a generator that takes a UTF-8 PG-submittable text and generates HTML--but that HTML is good, right now, only on a browser and not as a suitable input for any ebook-reader generators. I don't know where I'm going with this from here, if anywhere. --Roger

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Producing epub ready HTML
by hmonroe1＠verizon.net 25 Feb '12

25 Feb '12

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i mock you, and i laugh at you
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 24 Feb '12

24 Feb '12

three things... 1. where did all the yap dogs go? not that i'm complainin', mind you -- the silence is _golden_. but the recent whirlwind was just a bit puzzling. 2. if anyone here thinks they have the solution to "the problem of presenting poetry", in a way that works in .html, in a .mobi, and in an .epub, you should leave this dull backwater and get out and display your brilliance to the world-at-large, because nobody out there has found the answer to how to present a long line on a narrow screen. 3. per the ongoing search for a workflow to give project gutenberg and distributed proofreaders a "master format" that generates needed output, i mock you, and i laugh at you -- because i have demonstrated such a system, placed it right here under your nose, and repeatedly drawn attention to it, while you continue on your fruitless search, while i mock you, and i laugh at you, even as you obliviously continue searching, while i yet again show you my system, while you _still_ continue, while i mock you, and i laugh at you, while you... is it any wonder i mock you, and i laugh at you? look, folks, i'm doing it right now. _right_now_. can you see me mocking you? hear me laughing? best of luck with the search. have a nice weekend. -bowerbird

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Re: [gutvol-d] update on zero markup
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 23 Feb '12

23 Feb '12

ok, let's refresh. we had 8 years of having me preach z.m.l -- zen markup language, originally known as zero markup language -- on this listserve, during which time it was discussed often, and usually in a quite contentious manner, at least until i proved beyond any doubt that it works. so all my antagonists, who were telling me all along that it would never work, then lost all their credibility in our little poker game. and yes, they're still very bitter about that. then roger, who has been around for a while, waltzes in, announcing he has this new idea, which he calls "zero markup language" (and abbreviates to "zml"), and he parrots back the explanation i have been giving for years, seemingly without any awareness that what he is talking about is the exact same thing that i've been preaching for the last 8 years. i'm amazed that no one even _tells_ roger, and make weekly posts after that, asking if anyone is ever going to tell him, or not. finally, after an "update" from roger on his work on his idea, i break the news to him... *** let me begin by saying i don't care if roger decides to work on z.m.l. i think it's great. i would even guide him, if he wanted that... or if he prefers working independently, fine. i don't even care if he doesn't want to give me any credit for the idea. he wouldn't be the first guy here to be so small-minded... almost no one has told me that i was right, on anything, even as they adopt my ideas, quietly, and without creating much fanfare. but still, i was amazed by this brazen act of roger coming in and parroting my idea... and i was puzzled as well... did he know what he was doing? how could he not know? did he really not know what z.m.l. is? again, how could he not know? but he seemed not to know! well, if he really didn't know, then he couldn't have been giving me any _credit_ for the idea, and if he wasn't giving me any credit for that, how could he diss me in general, which he did, on many occasions? (not as bad as some guys on this listserve, it's true, but _he_still_did_... don't deny it, roger, or i'll dig out examples.) it just seemed _bizarre_. and it still seems bizarre, because roger still hasn't said, straight-out, if he realized that he was just parroting back my idea, or if he truly thought he came up with it on his own. *** instead, what roger _did_ say was this: > Technology that a developer won't release > might as well not exist. what a big pile of b.s. this is. it's very typical of the blaming-the-victim double-bind tactic that's commonly used by the perpetrator in an abusive relationship. here's the truth of the matter: i _have_ "released this technology". indeed, i thrust it into the face of this listserve over and over again, when no one here wanted to hear it, even as i was punished severely because i persisted, and my message repeatedly ignored... because i was right, and i knew i was right, and i wasn't gonna let a wolf-pack of know-nothings chase me away, no matter how vicious they got. then, over the years, i showed demo after demo, proving the proof and tightening the noose, until nobody in that wolf-pack could deny i was right. oh, they still ignore me. and they still want to claim that -- because they have _ignored_ it -- that i've never "released" anything. yeah, right. you can't have it both ways, folks. i have offered stuff, time and time again, and you won't say that you want it, _so_you_don't_get_it_. -bowerbird

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rewrapping p.g. to an existing scan-set
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 22 Feb '12

22 Feb '12

that didn't work. you can see those edits here: > http://zenmagiclove.com/prapr/pnp-858-edits.html -bowerbird

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crowdsourcing
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 21 Feb '12

21 Feb '12

jayvdb said: > Thanks for the smile you're welcome, john... ;+) for those of you who do not know, jayvdb is a volunteer administrator at wikisource, and he pops up here from time to time to let p.g. know wikisource is a friendly competitor, not one who will embarrass you in hostile ways as it eats your lunch... and speaking of noisy chewing... that indicates that your mouth is out of alignment, john, meaning when i looked, your interface still doesn't show the book's linebreaks when text is juxtaposed with scans, which makes proofing much harder. i thought you were gonna fix that? or did i look at everything wrong? your chewing will be so much more efficient if your mouth gets aligned. plus your smile will look even better! ;+) -bowerbird

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