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Re: [gutvol-d] Fwd: Cervantes Books
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

In a message dated 12/15/2005 1:07:57 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, joshua(a)hutchinson.net writes: Ok, it's official ... We need a PG/DP jargon file! Thank you for volunteering. I LIKE "Raiders of the Lost Art." Anne

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Re: [gutvol-d] Fwd: Cervantes Books
by Joshua Hutchinson 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

Ok, it's official ... We need a PG/DP jargon file! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hart" <hart(a)pglaf.org> To: "Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion" <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Fwd: Cervantes Books Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:05:24 -0800 (PST) > > > > On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Robert Cicconetti wrote: > > > Generally, proofraiding (or the new PC term, harvesting) > > Sorry, PG has been using the term "harvesting" for at least as long > as the world is been becoming PC. > > _I_ might have been somewhat responsible for the term raiding, > as I used to call the harvesters "The Raiders of the Lost Art" > > ;-) > > Happy Holidays! > > Give eBooks!!! > > Michael S. Hart > Founder > Project Gutenberg > > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d

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Re: [gutvol-d] Fwd: Cervantes Books
by Joshua Hutchinson 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Cicconetti" <grythumn(a)gmail.com> > AFAIK, we don't simply repackage existing text-only copies available on the > web. > > R C Actually we do and have, Robert. Ok, DP doesn't, but PG volunteers do. We even have a name for it. Proofraiding. ;) The hard part is making sure it is well proofed and to our formatting standards and that it is clearable by our standards. Josh (JHutch at DP)

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Re: [gutvol-d] Fwd: Cervantes Books
by Joshua Hutchinson 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Cicconetti" <grythumn(a)gmail.com> > On another note, how do you clear these texts without a physical copy (or > page images) and the relatively lengthy comparison described here: > > http://www.gutenberg.org/howto/cconfirm-howto > In my case, I'm pulling texts from the actual copyright owners who gave us permission to do so. In other cases, sometimes the original site made the original scans for the title page available. In the hardest cases, someone had to do the leg work described in your link. Josh

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re: [gutvol-d] Fwd: Cervantes Books
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

robert said: > AFAIK, we don't simply repackage > existing text-only copies > available on the web. i'm sure robert means "distributed proofreaders" rather than "project gutenberg" when he says "we". :+) that's why he's looking for page-scans of cervantes' books. because i would think that someone at project gutenberg would be quite happy to "repackage" offered .txt books... -bowerbird

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re: [gutvol-d] Fwd: Cervantes Books
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 14 Dec '05

14 Dec '05

robert said: > Grabbing only text is seldom worth it.. > nothing to compare it against. um, i would disagree. it is your job to create something to compare it against. if you can't find page-scans, then do the scans yourself, and run those scans through distributed proofreaders. then compare the d.p. output against that other text. (because this is the goal, you'll want to make sure the p-book you scan is the same edition as the other text.) this is absolutely the best way to obtain accurate text, by comparing two independently-produced versions... and yes, i know y'all know that. as we speak, even, a version of "the secret garden" is going through this. it just seemed like this little reminder was being called. -bowerbird

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Fwd: Cervantes Books
by Greg Newby 14 Dec '05

14 Dec '05

Has anyone checked these ones out before? -- Greg

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Google print
by N Wolcott 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

Now that the dust has cleared, can us proles have the final info-- can one download scans from google print, what is the best way, are they holding back, what is the resoloution, can one search (other than for the dejavu image), etc etc. Are there P2P networks to share stuff cribbed from google. Talking about PD images of course. Norm Wolcott nwolcott2(a)post.harvard.edu

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re: [gutvol-d] Google print
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

norm said: > Other than this you can only > go forward and back a page at a time. take a closer look at each u.r.l., norm, and you'll see how to jump to any page. -bowerbird

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Free Beer !
by Marcello Perathoner 12 Dec '05

12 Dec '05

I got two complaints about the wording of the PG main page. In particular I refer to these two paragraphs: "All Project Gutenberg ebooks are free as in _free beer_ for anyone living in the United States: You may download all our ebooks for your personal use for free. "Most Project Gutenberg ebooks are also free as in _free speech_: You may copy them, give them away and use them in any way you like. See the license page for details." This wording, while a bit on the "slang" side, has proved very effective and I got much less questions of the kind "May I download Moby Dick and post it on my side which is about fishing?" than before. Also, I like it for `sentimental' reasons, because it is the slogan of the Free Software Movement. But this may be just a pet of mine. One person complained about the wording on the grounds that "There ain't no such thing as a free beer." (I don't think we have to consider this one.) A different complaint reached me a few days ago: > It is not an issue of understanding the meaning of the phrase, but > rather the appropriateness of it. It is inappropriate to give the > appearance of encouraging drinking, when many of the people using the > web site are junior or senior high students. I personally think this claim is bogus and I told the claimant so. But, as I'm living in a town that is proud for its cathedral and its beer (not necessarily in that order) I may be prejudiced. I therefore ask for opinions. More: If we decide to change the wording, we need a new one ("Free lunch" would anger the libertarian even more :-) ) that conveys the idea that PG is not just a free book download service. -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster(a)gutenberg.org

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