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Re: [gutvol-d] Digital Library of India
by Gutenberg9443＠aol.com 20 May '05

20 May '05

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by Scott Clous 20 May '05

20 May '05

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Listening to EBooks in Text Format !!! > (rvijay07) > 8. Re: Severe Resistance to EBooks. (Branko > Collin) > 9. Bye Bye (Tom Harris) > 10. Re: Listening to EBooks in Text Format !!! > (Branko Collin) > 11. Re: Technical Collection for Consideration. > (Branko Collin) > 12. Re: Technical Collection for Consideration. > (Marcello Perathoner) > 13. Re: PG Forums (Jim Tinsley) > > From: Marcello Perathoner <marcello(a)perathoner.de> > To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion > <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:32:49 +0200 > Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] PGTEI and prposed > future-tech-developments group/forum > (was "Dear Jon") > > Branko Collin wrote: > > >>>Where again is the site hosting the latest PGTEI > documents (and DTD > >>>if one has been put together)? (This request is > not only for me, but > >>>for others interested in PGTEI.) > >> > >>Start at: > >> > >> http://www.gutenberg.org/tei/ > > > > The other day there was a flurry of PGTEIization > at Distributed > > Proofreaders. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to > host the results at > > http://www.gutenberg.org/tei/ too. > > I'd prefer to host only milestone documents and not > ongoing discussions > on the web site. > > That said, where are the results of that > digiTEIzation, so I can take a > look? > > > > -- > Marcello Perathoner > webmaster(a)gutenberg.org > > > > From: Bowerbird(a)aol.com > CC: > To: gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org, Bowerbird(a)aol.com > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 04:17:43 EDT > Subject: re: [gutvol-d] FREE CD/DVD info. request. > > > on the d.v.d. i got, the links to the e-texts > from the author/title .html indexes fail... > > i didn't even try to figure out why, because > i can manage, but if this is a problem that > everyone has, it probably should be fixed... > > -bowerbird > > > From: "rvijay07" <rvijay07(a)myway.com> > To: gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 04:29:53 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: [gutvol-d] Technical Collection for > Consideration. > > > One of the drawbacks of PG is that it is considered > mainly a fiction/literature type collection. In this > regard it is good to add some Technical Books. The > easiest way to do this would be to > (a) Harvest Technical Books that are already hosted > on other sites and then add them here. Proofreading > them based on user feedback is suggested. > (b) Provide a link to such a Project on PG. > > In this regard here is one site for consideration: > http://www.freeprogrammingresources.com > > Lots of EBooks and other materials for programmers. > Created/Maintained by a very enthusiastic person. > > Vijay > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - > http://www.myway.com > > > > > From: Jonathan Ingram <jonathan_ingram(a)yahoo.com> > To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion > <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 02:33:01 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: RE: [gutvol-d] no, the problem is > > --- Doug Schroeder <ds(a)dougschroeder.com> wrote: > > bowerturkey: > > > > > there are some problems with the d.p. workflow > > > -- some rather glaring ones, when you consider > > > how many people are laboring under those flows, > > > > Key issue, people are working. You (and I) are > not. > > Aside from the mudslinging, I thought I'd mention > that the workflow at DP will > be changing soon. Until now, books have done through > two general proofing > rounds. This is now being split into 2 pure > proofreading rounds, and 2 > formatting-and-final-overview rounds. This is > because we're now processing > books which require a lot of formatting, and we find > that people find it > difficult to concentrate both on proofreading and > formatting. After this > transition has been successfully completed, we will > introduce further > mini-rounds for specific content (Greek, tables, > music, etc.) which requires > specific talents to proofread. > > -- > Jon Ingram > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > From: Jonathan Ingram <jonathan_ingram(a)yahoo.com> > CC: > To: rvijay07(a)myway.com, > Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion > <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 02:41:04 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Technical Collection for > Consideration. > > --- rvijay07 <rvijay07(a)myway.com> wrote: > > > > One of the drawbacks of PG is that it is > considered mainly a > > fiction/literature type collection. In this regard > it is good to add some > > Technical Books. > > While the site you link to has some interesting > content, I'd prefer to see PG > remain primarily a repository of public domain > material -- and this in no way > stops us from increasing the amount of non-fiction > texts. Indeed, there are > many non-fiction texts going through DP at the > moment, in many subject areas, > from dictionaries to bell-ringing, cookery to > history. > > Sadly the overly long length of modern copyright > terms mean that we won't see a > large influx of public domain computer programming > material for a while. > > -- > Jon Ingram > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From: "rvijay07" <rvijay07(a)myway.com> > CC: gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > To: jonathan_ingram(a)yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 06:30:08 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Technical Collection for > Consideration. > > > There are Linux Books that are sold as HardCopy but > the EBooks are free to distribute I believe. > > Also, since the other site is distributing these > books without trouble, wouldn't it be safe to assume > that these IT EBooks are also > Public Domain ? If they can be verified to be Public > Domain, then can't they be hosted here ? > > Thanks. > > Vijay > > > > --- On Wed 05/18, Jonathan Ingram < > jonathan_ingram(a)yahoo.com > wrote: > From: Jonathan Ingram [mailto: > jonathan_ingram(a)yahoo.com] > To: rvijay07(a)myway.com, gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 02:41:04 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Technical Collection for > Consideration. > > --- rvijay07 <rvijay07(a)myway.com> wrote: > > > One of the drawbacks of PG is that it is considered > mainly a > fiction/literature type collection. In > this regard it is good to add some > Technical > Books. While the site you link to has some > interesting content, I'd prefer to see PG remain > primarily a repository of public domain material -- > and this in no way stops us from increasing the > amount of non-fiction texts. Indeed, there > are many non-fiction texts going through DP at > the moment, in many subject areas, from > dictionaries to bell-ringing, cookery to > history. Sadly the overly long length of > modern copyright terms mean that we won't see > a large influx of public domain computer > programming material for a while. -- Jon > Ingram __________________________________________________ Do > You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the > best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - > http://www.myway.com > > > > > From: "rvijay07" <rvijay07(a)myway.com> > To: gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 06:31:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: [gutvol-d] Listening to EBooks in Text > Format !!! > > > Has anyone here tried this software ? > http://www.spacejock.com/yRead.html > > Please share your experience/comments. > > Vijay :) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - > http://www.myway.com > > > > > From: "Branko Collin" <collin(a)xs4all.nl> > To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion > <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:14:10 +0200 > Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Severe Resistance to EBooks. > > On 17 May 2005, at 22:40, Greg Newby wrote: > > On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 06:00:41PM -0400, rvijay07 > wrote: > > > > > I spoke to about 10 people in the last week that > I personally know. > [snip] > > I question whether this is resistance to eBooks, > or just > > a combination of (a) not liking to read much, or > to read > > older literature; and (b) lack of technical > facility or > > equipment. > > I think annecdotal evidence is no evidence at all. > It is useless to > discuss the growing or lessening popularity of > ebooks in general > based on a few of Vijay's personal observations. > > Those personal observations can be fun to talk about > in their own > right, but they are not evidence of a trend. > > -- > branko collin > collin(a)xs4all.nl > > > From: "Tom Harris" <beacybooks(a)bigpond.com> > To: "Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion" > <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:06:09 +1000 > Subject: [gutvol-d] Bye Bye > > Bye Bye, > > This list could be so good, but the pricks have > spoiled it again. I'll give > it a try in another year I suppose. > > I must have proofed 10 books at least for Gutenberg, > why not a list for > proven contributors only? > > Regards > > Tom Harris BeacyBooks beacybooks(a)bigpond.com > > > > From: "Branko Collin" <collin(a)xs4all.nl> > To: gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:22:07 +0200 > Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Listening to EBooks in Text > Format !!! > > > On 18 May 2005, at 6:31, rvijay07 wrote: > > > Has anyone here tried this software ? > > http://www.spacejock.com/yRead.html > > Please don't post unqualified links, that's rude. > What does the > software you refer to do? What is it called? Why are > you interested > in it? > > -- > branko collin > collin(a)xs4all.nl > > > From: "Branko Collin" <collin(a)xs4all.nl> > To: gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:22:07 +0200 > Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Technical Collection for > Consideration. > > > On 18 May 2005, at 4:29, rvijay07 wrote: > > > One of the drawbacks of PG is that it is > considered mainly a > > fiction/literature type collection. > > By whom? Why is that a drawback? > > > In this regard it is good to add some Technical > Books. > > Why? > > > The easiest way to do this would be to (a) > > Harvest Technical Books that are already hosted on > other sites and > > then add them here. Proofreading them based on > user feedback is > > suggested. (b) Provide a link to such a Project on > PG. > > I think people should add whatever they want to add. > If you feel like > adding technical books, please go ahead. > > -- > branko collin > collin(a)xs4all.nl > > > From: Marcello Perathoner <marcello(a)perathoner.de> > To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion > <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:11:28 +0200 > Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Technical Collection for > Consideration. > > Jonathan Ingram wrote: > > > Sadly the overly long length of modern copyright > terms mean that we won't see a > > large influx of public domain computer programming > material for a while. > > Many FSF books are copylefted. One I should > definitely like to see in > the collection is: > > Free Software Free Society > > selected essays of > > Richard M. Stallman > > > My paper copy says: > > "Permission is granted to make and distribute > verbatim copies of this > book provided the copyright notice and this notice > are preserved on all > copies." > > > -- > Marcello Perathoner > webmaster(a)gutenberg.org > > > > From: Jim Tinsley <jtinsley(a)pobox.com> > CC: > To: traverso(a)dm.unipi.it, > Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion > <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:33:20 -0400 > Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] PG Forums > > On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 08:40:31AM +0200, Carlo > Traverso wrote: > > > >PG had a forum-like Volunteers' Board at > >http://promo.net/pg/vol/wwwboard/ but it has become > inactive and was > >officially discontinued on November 28, 2003 > > > >The archives are still available at the same > address. > > I can't recommend emulating it; at least, not > _simply_ > emulating it. The rules of the board were that "This > > Board is for posting any question or information > about > how to create Project Gutenberg E-Texts." and > "Off-topic > subjects include anything that is NOT about creating > > PG e-texts,". I moderated it ruthlessly; personal > insults, > opinion, advocacy, posts from clueless newbies who > thought > they were gurus, and indeed anything that did not > fit the > moderation parameters comfortably just went to the > Big > Bit-Bucket In The Sky without a second thought. It > was > a place where newcomers could browse or ask > questions and > make contact -- with me, if no-one else -- and try > to get > their heads around what PG was. Remember, PG was > very opaque > before that: the _only_ two-way communication was > private > mail. > > Then the Board and gutvol-d started up, and quickly > settled > into a pattern: the Board was the shopfront-window > for > passers-by who might be interested in walking in; > gutvol-d > was the back-room for the regulars. And please note, > by > "regulars" I mean people who were actually > contributing to > PG, who knew what they were talking about from > experience, > and who had a stake in the outcome. Monday-morning > Quarterbacks > weren't really in evidence. > > The Board had value in hooking people up with useful > work, and > with answering newbie questions, and it did good. > Nowadays, however, > people can find useful work to do all the time at > DP, and all > the newbie questions are answered in the FAQ, which > was largely > comprised of questions that had been asked on the > Board. Its > functions had become obsolete, and an attempt to > revive it would, > I think, be futile. > > jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Listening to EBooks in Text Format !!!
by rvijay07 20 May '05

20 May '05

"Festival is a general multi-lingual speech synthesis system developed at CSTR. It offers a full text to speech system with various APIs, as well an environment for development and research of speech synthesis techniques. It is written in C++ with a Scheme-based command interpreter for general control." http://freshmeat.net/projects/festival/ Debian users can just go: # apt-get install festival also related package festival-doc Disclaimer: There is a lot of technology out there already. It is for the user to explore, try and customize the software for individual needs. I created a small 4G partition for my Debian OS which is almost full and perhaps this could be one of the reasons that most ebook readers didn't work for me. Also, my PC is over 6 years old and lacks internal/external speakers. So, I can't try this software immediately, but hope to try it down the road. Sharing this info. here for general interest./info./discussion. Vijay _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

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Books I like to add to PG.
by rvijay07 20 May '05

20 May '05

Knowing Knoppix http://www.pjls16812.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/knowing-knoppix/index.html Great Classic Online Book on Linux http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html Online Unix Course http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/intro-1.html Fortran Ebooks http://www.engineering.usu.edu/cee/faculty/gurro/Classes/Classes_Fall2002/F… _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

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My Challenges with EBook Readers.
by rvijay07 20 May '05

20 May '05

I tried to get a few EBook Readers. So far not one off them worked. Trying to get more technical help at this site: http://tinyurl.com/8g826 If anyone has any comments here, they are welcome. VJ _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

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re: why do you think
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 20 May '05

20 May '05

jim said: > why do you think that was a reference to _you_? well, because in an earlier post (sunday, may 15, 2:18pm), you said: > Thanks for trying, Melissa, but I'm afraid that > neither Jon nor Bowerbird, in their very different ways, > actually understand what we're doing here why did you say that, jim? what is it that you think i don't understand about what you are doing here? -bowerbird

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test mail
by Erin M 19 May '05

19 May '05

please don't reply. thanks!

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Article: Paperbooks on their way out.
by rvijay07 19 May '05

19 May '05

I am posting this in regards to my post Severe resistance to EBooks. This article paints an entirely different story. http://www.abqtrib.com/albq/bu_columnists/article/0,2565,ALBQ_19837_3776298… Vijay _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

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Severe Resistance to EBooks.
by rvijay07 19 May '05

19 May '05

Branko Collin collin at xs4all.nl wrote: >>> I think annecdotal evidence is no evidence at all. It is useless to discuss the growing or lessening popularity of ebooks in general based on a few of Vijay's personal observations. >>> Those personal observations can be fun to talk about in their own right, but they are not evidence of a trend. Very true of the above and agreed. I have also read about postts on web-sites in regards to people preferring real books and to stay away from ebooks as they are not good for eyes. So as a NEWBIE, I just wanted to know more in this regard from those with more experience. Vijay _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

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Policing the list
by Branko Collin 19 May '05

19 May '05

I have seen solutions offered for preventing the posting of flame- inducing postings to this list, but found them mostly severely over the top. If this were not a mailing list but a village, I am sure we would have simple solutions for dealing with the village idiot. None of those would entail building a second village, or having a curfew or whatever. The simplest solution would be to temporarily moderate the troublemakers. That way you do not drive away the people that have just as much right to be here as the troublemakers, and you do not discipline the troublemakers in excess. Banning the troublemakers on the other hand would only be an option if they even cause the police too much work. As an aside, I wish people would excercise a little more constraint when stumbling across Bowerbird's ramblings. The Bird cannot help being an idiot. You can. I started filtering out the flunkeys, and currently have the following addresses in my blocklist: Shimmin, Jon Noring, JWaddell, Gutenberg9443, Joshua, CannonA, Brandon, and Doug Schroeder. These are all people who felt it necessary to engage with the Bird and make this list a worse place to be, when instead they could have shown constraint. The reason I am for policing still is because new list members of course don't know the trolls yet, and so may unwittingly engage in unnecessary flame wars. By moderating the trolls, you make it easier for the others to behave. Just my 2 cents, of course. -- branko collin collin(a)xs4all.nl

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