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Re:making CD / DVD best of 2005--how and which books?
by bill 16 May '05

16 May '05

I know this is likely not practical but I would like to see a read-only medium where the legalese was exised out of the texts and stored in a license.txt in the root of the file system. This would save a ton of space and allow for more texts within the iso.I appreciate that the legal text has changed over the years and is not consistant for all books but a notation "Licence--#01" or whatever at the head of the book would allow you to cross-reference the license file. Surely a one line system such as this would save bandwidth and storage space while maintaining whatever legal requirements that must be met.

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Re: [gutvol-d] Heebee Jeebees on Gutenberg
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 16 May '05

16 May '05

jon noring said: > abbyy7 + your-sooper-dooper-tools = no-more-need-for-DP well, let's do the equation right, ok? opticbook3600 (most other scanners will start you off wrong) + careful scanning (note that this is _oh_ so very important) + image correction (deskewing and zoning regularization) + abby v7 (and using the old-book version whenever needed) + super-duper-tools, used wisely, for about 4 hours/book = an error rate of 1 error every 10 pages, good enough for + continuous proofreading (with scans available for viewing) + freshly-informed-and-motivated end-users looking for errors + a comprehensive error-detection system + a comprehensive error-reporting system + a comprehensive error-correcting system + a comprehensive system designed to foster community = a steady march toward absolute perfection in the e-texts you can sprinkle in as much or as little d.p. as you want. they are the _cooks_, and not an ingredient in the recipe. and they aren't _required_ for a meal, but they sure help! a ton of dedicated people with expertise and experience! responsible for _half_ of p.g. by the time it hits #20,000! without doubt, _the_ dynamic force in digitization today! more uplifting than google, and million-books, and kahle! (well, kahle is a large factor in their success, but still)! > but it is *equally* important to understand, and markup, > the *structures* associated with all portions of the content. > This is something that *has* to be done by human beings. > It cannot be done automagically, at least with anything near > acceptable accuracy (as shown by a few trivial examples > I posted here a while back.) blah blah blah. your examples are bull. you didn't send them here, you sent 'em to ockerbloom's list, and he would not allow my response to go through, since it destroyed your positions so thoroughly. (it was _complete_; he took it as _mean_.) repost your examples if you have the courage. given the normal degree of consideration for consistent formatting, my apps can determine the structure of a text in a matter of seconds, even on my "legacy" mac, less than the acrobat splash is up... :+) -bowerbird

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re: you guys crack me up
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 16 May '05

16 May '05

i told you jim didn't want to get smarter. you guys crack me up. :+) and fascism is alive and well in the united states in the 21st century, from the white house on down. but there is no shortage of soapboxes in cyberspace; and with google pulling everything together for people, it is more difficult to be invisible than to be found, so _try_ to relegate my free speech to your "protest zone". just try... -bowerbird

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Re: [gutvol-d] Question regarding naming for CSS
by Joshua Hutchinson 16 May '05

16 May '05

I'm guessing, based on your examples, that you want the CSS to be structural. Personally, I'd just mark it as .right {text-align: right; margin-right:2em;} But that is naming according to presentation as opposed to structural. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Sly" <sly(a)victoria.tc.ca> To: "Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion" <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> Subject: [gutvol-d] Question regarding naming for CSS Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:50:44 -0700 (PDT) > > Ok, new topic of discussion. > > I'm putting the finishing touches on a book for PG. > There will be an html file made as well as plain text. > This book includes a decent amount of quoted letters > and other documents in it. Fairly often, there are > headers and/or footers to these which are aligned > to be close to the right margin. > > So I made a simple CSS declaration for these: > > .dateheader {text-align: right; margin-right:2em;} > > However, as I progressed through, the name "dateheader" > began to seem little inaccurate. The content is also > sometimes the name of a place or a person, or a brief > phrase. > > Any suggestions for a more general (but still accurate) > name I could use for this CSS selector? > > > Here are a few example of where I have used this class: > > > > PRETORIA, April 20, 1879. > > > My last letter had not been gone many hours by the mail express when > Lanyon ran into my room, to tell me that the Boer camp was actually > broken up and the Boers dispersing. > > ================== > > The Committee can add nothing to the above, and feel that there will > not be one man among the thousands who have joined the Reform > movement who will not find it consistent with honour and humanity to > co-operate loyally in the carrying out of the Committee's decision. > > > By order of the Committee. > > ================== > > 'Notice is hereby given that this Committee adheres to the National > Union Manifesto, and reiterates its desire to maintain the > independence of the Republic. The fact that rumours are in course of > circulation to the effect that a force has crossed the Bechuanaland > border renders it necessary to take active steps for the defence > of Johannesburg and preservation of order. The Committee earnestly > desire that the inhabitants should refrain from taking any action > which can be construed as an overt act of hostility against the > Government. By order of the Committee, > > > 'J. PERCY FITZPATRICK, > 'Secretary.' > > ================== > > > JOHANNESBURG, S.A.R., > 24th March, 1899. > > GENTLEMEN, > > In response to the invitation from the Government of the South > African Republic conveyed to us by Mr. E. Lippert, we beg to submit > the enclosed memorandum upon the franchise question. > > ================== > > <h4>ARTICLE XX.</h4> > > This Convention will be ratified by a Volksraad of the South African > Republic within the period of six months after its execution, and in > default of such ratification this Convention shall be null and void. > > Signed in duplicate in London this 27th day of February, 1884. > > > HERCULES ROBINSON. > S.J.P. KRUGER. > S.J. DU TOIT. > N.J. SMIT. > > > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d

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re: well, yeah, sometimes even i feel like screaming
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 15 May '05

15 May '05

melissa said: > Could you please take private your ongoing > discussions of whose penis is bigger? ... > Can you please be quiet, PLEASE? yeah, sometimes i too get so bored with the tedium of the noring merry-go-round that i also absolutely feel like screaming. that observation i made about noring not knowing when he's passed the point of diminishing returns is quite applicable to his listserve discussions too. i _do_ realize when i'm testing subscriber patience, however, so i should be smarter about terminating. sometimes i opt out, as when i declined to respond to his challenges earlier on the bookpeople list, but then he mentions it months later, as if he had "won". if jon weren't so tenacious about spreading his "project gutenberg e-texts are untrustworthy" message to every nook and cranny of cyberspace, i probably wouldn't feel the need to address him. (but yes, i believe this campaign of his _does_ make what he says relevant to p.g. volunteers, and thus germane to this listserve in particular. it's certainly not a "private discussion" anymore, let alone one about "penis size", as you've put it.) but i suppose i should let it go, since -- unlike jon -- i do _not_ believe perception equals reality -- it's just temporary confusion -- so i do not think his attempts to manufacture a reality by creating the perceptions he wants to spin actually "work". so he's harmless. he thinks he's effective. he's not. on the other hand, even though jon resorts to personal attack at times, which i give back to him in spades, at least he mixes in a good dose of on-topic thinking in his threads too. so compared to the number of people on this list who dish attacks _exclusively_ in their replies to me, without ever even _touching_ the matters under discussion -- and your message here is an example -- jon's posts have _some_ redeeming value... even if his thinking is often badly muddled, at least he is trying to _do_ some thinking. how many other _thoughtful_ conversations happen on this list? i can't remember many. (kudos to vijay for his jump-start attempts; the enthusiasm of new converts is a real kick. it's just too bad there isn't a wiki that could help them negotiate a road already well-trod, get them up to speed before they lose steam.) i mean, the project gutenberg e-text library is one of _the_ shining examples of the potential to bring literacy into 21st-century cyberspace, which means it should be tremendously exciting, but you wouldn't know it from _this_ listserve, as it more closely resembles an old ghost-town. so, melissa, how about you? what is _your_ thinking on how the error-rate in the e-texts can be lowered? after all, some of them bear your name. surely you want them to be right? what do you think about jeff's google experiment? how do you think the project could be promoted? what issues do _you_ think need to be discussed? i've found the best way to get a listserve back on-topic is to post cogent messages, and not complaints about the other people. light a candle instead of cursing darkness. that's what i try to do. i am sure that you could've learned something from my posts, including the recent rounds, if you wanted. i'm sure that some people managed to do so. but also, of course, if you desire to remain oblivious, you can stop reading my messages. and if you're already not reading them, then it takes a mere quarter-second to poof a post. surely the burden of pressing the delete key can't be all _that_ pressing on you, can it? and hey, if it _is_, then perhaps you could learn how to use filters in your e-mail app. that way, you don't even have to press a key. there's no reason for you to _unsubscribe_. or were you just using a little hyperbole to make your point? it's fine if you were; i'm fond of using a little hyperbole myself. but i don't want to be insensitive to your request, even if you didn't pose it politely. so i'll cut back the frequency of my posts addressed to jon, to no more than 1 a day, so as not to overwhelm any e-mailboxes... so thanks for your feedback, melissa, and i hope to hear some input from you on more substantive issues as they come up here... -bowerbird p.s. so how big is _your_ penis?

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What is the last good NON PG E-book(s) you came across ?
by rvijay07 15 May '05

15 May '05

A few more collections !!! http://www.freeonlinereading.com/links.htm http://www.talewins.com/Browzer/novels.htm http://www.bygosh.com/thebestnovels.htm http://www.bibliomania.com/ http://www.e-book.com.au/freebooks.htm http://www.free-online-novels.com/ _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

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What is the last good NON PG E-book(s) you came across ?
by rvijay07 15 May '05

15 May '05

Look at this collection !!! http://www.etext.org/Fiction/ Here is a related Site: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/5116/ Vijay :) _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

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Re: Off Topic Discussion List Suggestion.
by rvijay07 15 May '05

15 May '05

Karl Eichwalder ke at gnu.franken.de >>> Just post here--gutvol-d is an umbrella list. Normally members of a list prefer to stay on Topic, specially where Volunteers are participating. Very off-topic posts may start complaints etc., Hence, having another site/group for off topic discussions in preferable. Vijay _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

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Did this happen to you ?
by rvijay07 15 May '05

15 May '05

Recently, searches are taking longer at the PG site at times. A few days ago, in the evening when I tried a search, it said something like server overloaded and request to try again. This is a good sign that more people are using PG. Vijay :) _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

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Share your PG reading Wish List.
by rvijay07 15 May '05

15 May '05

Since, there are several ebooks at PG, I think sharing these lists will be a great learning experience for all. Here is my PG reading wish list: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/11555 http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/12021 * Daily Strengths for daily * The art of money getting * Grimm's Fairy tales The World for sale Lessons in Life * Philosophy of Misery Making both ends meet Living alone * True Riches University of Hard Knocks We can't have everything * From Wealth to Poverty The Price of Things The Healing of Nations Towards the Goal * Problems of Poverty On Compromise The key to peace Masters of Space Top of the World The Cost of Shelter Quit your worrying. My book of Indoor Games Common Sense, How to Exercise It Lives of the most remarkable Criminals Self-Development and the way to power An Iron Will. Fifteen years in Hell. The Vainty of Human Wishes * The Bed-Book of Happiness The Pleasures of Ignorance. A Book of Nonsense * Beautiful Thoughts The Pleasures of a Single Life Unhappy far-off things The Tree of Heaven Homestead on the Hillside Homes And How To Make Them Principles of Home Decoration, by Candace Wheeler The Consolation of Philosophy * Certain Success Cassell's Vegetarian Cookery [Subtitle: A Manual Of Cheap And Wholesome Diet] Things to Make * The Art of Soul-Winning The House in Good Taste Half Portions The Fun of Getting Thin * Outwitting our nerves Diet and Health Great Fortunes, and How They Were Made In Time Of Emergency The Chemistry of Food and Nutrition Success Mastery of Self for Wealth power Success. What Peace means Disease and its causes A Course in Wood Turning The Chemistry of Food and Nutrition http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/1/5/2/3/15237/15237-h/15237-h.htm Vegetarian Cookery Book http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/13887 Cassell's Vegetarian Cookery http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/14594 Why Worry http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/8554 _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

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