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Re: [gutvol-d] Final PGTEI... blockquote
by Joshua Hutchinson 27 Oct '04

27 Oct '04

----- Original Message ----- From: Marcello Perathoner <marcello(a)perathoner.de> > > Joshua Hutchinson wrote: > > > I think I'd prefer the rend="block" over "display" just because it is > > a little more intuitive. Thanks for tracking that down Scott. > > "display" is different from "block". > > A display is a chunk of text set off (displayed) from the rest usually > by enlarging the left and right margins and inserting some top and > bottom margins. > > A block is just a plain old block with nothing special to distinguish it > from any block fore or aft. > > The HTML tag <blockquote> is just a bit misnamed. > The barebones guide didn't seem to make a distinction between the two, but if "display" seems more correct to you, I'm willing to use it. > > I also found how to handle sidenotes since I wrote that original > > message. > > > > <note place="margin"> > > This works only in HTML for now. Ideas on how to display it in TXT > without wasting a lot of space? > In a text file, I would say one of two ways. 1 - Easy way, just treat it like a footnote/endnote and stick it at the end. 2 - Slightly better way (pulled from how DP texts do it) ... Move the note to before the paragraph it is part off and mark it with a [Sidenote: blah blah] markup. Both methods lose a little fidelity, since the Sidenote is not printed exactly right by the text it refers to, like it would in the original. But method two keeps it fairly close, and context should allow the reader to easily tell the part of the paragraph it refers to. Method one would allow the marker to appear near its original source location, but the information is now not in the same eye region. The user must click to the notes section to see the information, which is commonly meant to be more accessible/more important than a typical footnote. Josh

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Re: [gutvol-d] Final PGTEI... blockquote
by Joshua Hutchinson 27 Oct '04

27 Oct '04

I think I'd prefer the rend="block" over "display" just because it is a little more intuitive. Thanks for tracking that down Scott. I also found how to handle sidenotes since I wrote that original message. <note place="margin"> It is actually used in Marcello's PGTEI guide (though not talked about specifically... it is used to provide some info on another topic). If anyone is wondering, I am keeping track of all this markup. I gonna see about putting together a webpage with the ongoing notes. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Lawton <scott_bulkmail(a)productarchitect.com> To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Final PGTEI... blockquote Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:25:00 -0400 > > >Blockquotes: > > > >I wanted to markup a blockquote example, but I didn't see how. Anyone out there know how to handle a blockquote with a text? > > Perhaps: > <div rend="display"> > <q rend="display"> > > (not very intuitive, eh?) > > It's mentioned briefly in Marcello's docs, once you know what to look for ("wider margins"). > > Also, search for these in Marcello's alice.tei and lmiss.tei examples. The "q" one will add quote marks, unless supressed via the appropriate attribute. > > I couldn't find it in the TEI Lite docs (though I assume it's there somewhere). I did find it in Section 4.3 of "Bare Bones TEI" http://www.tei-c.org/Vault/Bare/ -- which also suggests that rend="block" is equivalent. (I didn't find independent confirmation.) > -- > > Scott > > Practical Software Innovation (tm), http://ProductArchitect.com/ > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d >

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Re: [gutvol-d] Final PGTEI... page numbers
by Joshua Hutchinson 27 Oct '04

27 Oct '04

<pb n="x" /> Where x is the original source page number. Here is a tentative TEI2HTML transform for it... <xsl:template match="/TEI.2/text//pb[@n]"> <span id="page{@n}" class="pagenum">[pg <xsl:value-of select="@n"/>]</span> </xsl:template> (Thanks to Marcello for cleaning up my ugly first attempt at the transform.) The CSS will need a span.pagenum defined to put the [pg x] markup in the side margin. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Lawton <scott_bulkmail(a)productarchitect.com> To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Final PGTEI... page numbers Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:25:15 -0400 > > >Page number markup: > > > >No complaints. I'll be looking into a transform that will place the numbers in the margin, but that is a secondary concern. > > I didn't see an explicit way to mark the original page numbers. Perhaps as a marginal note? > > <note place="margin">27</note> > -- > > Scott > > Practical Software Innovation (tm), http://ProductArchitect.com/ > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d >

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(Fwd) FW: Copyright Infringement of Gone With the Wind
by dlainson＠sympatico.ca 27 Oct '04

27 Oct '04

Hello Here's a letter (which I'm apparently breaking some US law by forwarding, but I'll take the risk) which I find disturbing. Seems that "Project Gutenberg established PGA to permit the illegal downloading of works". Of this I wasn't aware. As a big contributor to PGA it concerns me personally, as well as setting a very dangerous precedent. Does one country have the right to dictate to another what a website can contain when it falls within the law of the host country, and can they force some sort of restrictions on the downloading of material? Don. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: "Col Choat" <colc(a)gutenberg.net.au> To: "Don Lainson" <dlainson(a)sympatico.ca> Subject: FW: Copyright Infringement of Gone With the Wind Date sent: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:36:48 +1000 -----Original Message----- From: Gonzalez, Dalgis [mailto:dgonzalez@fkkslaw.com]On Behalf Of Selz, Thomas Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2004 6:29 AM To: colc(a)gutenberg.net.au Cc: Paul Anderson Sr. (E-mail); Paul Anderson Jr. (E-mail); Thomas Hal Clarke (E-mail); Thomas Hal Clarke (E-mail 2); Selz, Thomas Subject: Copyright Infringement of Gone With the Wind October 25, 2004 Certified Mail- Return receipt Requested Project Gutenberg 405 West Elm Street Urbana, IL 61801 By e-mail (colc(a)gutenberg.net.au) Project Gutenberg of Australia Re: Copyright Infringement of Gone With the Wind To Whom It May Concern: We represent the Stephens Mitchell Trusts (the Trusts), the owner of the copyright to the book, Gone With The Wind (GWTW). There are copyright provisions around the world, including, without limitation, the United States Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. §101 et. seq, which grant the Trusts, as copyright owner, the exclusive right to reproduce and distribute GWTW in the United States and elsewhere. It has come to our attention that Project Gutenbergs affiliate, Project Gutenberg of Australia (PGA), is publishing GWTW in electronic book form on its web site located at www.gutenberg.net.au (the Web Site). The Web Site states that PGA produces etexts in accordance with Australian law and that the books available on its site are in the public domain in Australia. While the Web Site warns that some of its ebooks may still be protected by copyright in the U.S. and suggests that U.S. users check U.S. copyright laws or visit Project Gutenbergs U.S. web site for its list of public domain works, there is nothing to prevent any U.S. user from simply downloading GWTW from the Web Site. Indeed, we were able to do so easily. It appears to us that Project Gutenberg established PGA to permit the illegal downloading of works that are still subject to copyright protection in the U.S. and elsewhere. Project Gutenbergs and PGAs willful, knowing and unauthorized distribution of GWTW to users in the U.S. and elsewhere where copyright protection remains available is a blatant violation of our clients rights under applicable statutes and common law. Please be advised that Project Gutenberg and PGA are subject to U.S. copyright law and to jurisdiction in the U.S. for their infringing activities through applicable jurisdiction statutes governing the commission of acts of infringement that either occur in the U.S. or have an effect in the U.S. On behalf of the Trusts, we hereby demand that Project Gutenberg and/or PGA confirm to us within five (5) days of receipt of this letter that you have removed GWTW from the Web Site entirely or that you have taken all necessary steps to prevent the downloading of GWTW in all places in which it is protected by copyright. Please be advised that if we have not received confirmation of your willingness to comply with the foregoing demands, we will take all appropriate steps to protect and enforce our clients rights. This demand is without prejudice to all of the Trusts rights and remedies in this matter, both legal and equitable, all of which are specifically and expressly reserved. Very truly yours, Thomas D. Selz cc:Paul H. Anderson, Sr., Esq. Paul Anderson, Jr., Esq. Thomas Hal Clarke, Jr., Esq. Dalgis E. Gonzalez FrankfurtKurnit Klein & Selz, PC 488 Madison Avenue New York, New York 10022 Tel: (212) 980-0120 x6735 Fax: (212) 593-9175 E-mail: dgonzalez(a)fkkslaw.com This e-mail and any attached files are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which this mail is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any use, disclosure, copying or distribution of this e-mail or the attached files by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply e- mail or collect call to (212) 980-0120 and delete this e-mail and attached files from your system. Thank you. ------- End of forwarded message ------- Don Lainson dlainson(a)sympatico.ca

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Re: [gutvol-d] Found an indention example in TEI...
by Joshua Hutchinson 27 Oct '04

27 Oct '04

----- Original Message ----- From: Marcello Perathoner <marcello(a)perathoner.de> > Joshua Hutchinson wrote: > > > Negative indents? 1, 2, 3 would seem to indicate number of indents > > to apply, which would seem to me would be a positive indent number. > > I'm missing something here, I know it. > > What if you want a line to stick out > > stanza > stanza > like this? > stanza > stanza > > Solutions: > > <l rend="indent-1">like this</l> > > or > > <l rend="indent(-1)>like this</l> > > > I prefer the latter. > > Ah! *light bulb goes on* I understand now. Ok, the second example is fine with me and it does look better in the (hopefully rare) instance where a negative indent is required. Josh

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Re: [gutvol-d] Found an indention example in TEI...
by Joshua Hutchinson 27 Oct '04

27 Oct '04

----- Original Message ----- From: Marcello Perathoner <marcello(a)perathoner.de> > > Joshua Hutchinson wrote: > > > <l>"Just the place for a Snark!" the Bellman cried,</l> > > <l rend="indent">As he landed his crew with care;</l> > <snipped> I think I understood everything but this line. > > <l rend="indentX"> for X = 1, 2, 3 > > ugly, makes me want to puke. Negative indents ? > Negative indents? 1, 2, 3 would seem to indicate number of indents to apply, which would seem to me would be a positive indent number. I'm missing something here, I know it. > <l rend="indent indent"> > > better. Compatible with TEI spec. Falls back to one indent > if more than one is not supported by XSLT. > I don't really like it. Too verbose and not as intuitive (IMO). > <l rend="indent(-1)"> > > still better. Related to the negative indent comment above, I'm sure, but I'm still not connecting the dots. > > <l indent="1"> > > most elegant but not so standard. Needs new attribute. > > The not as "standard" is the only problem I have. But I could go either way if you feel strongly about it. > Structural tagging: > > <lg type="limerick"> > <l>There was a young lady of Riga,</l> > <l>Who smiled as she rode on a tiger;</l> > <lg rend="indent"> > <l>They returned from the ride</l> > <l>With the lady inside,</l> > </lg> > <l>And the smile on the face of the tiger.</l> > </lg> > Looks fine to me (as long as the rend attribute is possible in the <l> tag, too, if necessary). Josh

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Re: [gutvol-d] Found an indention example in TEI...
by Joshua Hutchinson 27 Oct '04

27 Oct '04

I found another example of using the rend attribute. <l rend="indent1">As he landed his crew with care;</l> <l rend="indent2">As he landed his crew with care;</l> etc. The indent level would indicate number of tab stop indentions for that line. Not in the TEI spec itself, but seems to be widely used modification/addition. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Sly <sly(a)victoria.tc.ca> To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Found an indention example in TEI... Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:31:28 -0700 (PDT) > > > Some recent texts coming from dp have had css used for indicating > indentation in verse. They use class selectors such as i2, i4, i6 > to indicate various levels of indentation. Could something similar > be adopted in this case? > > Andrew > > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Joshua Hutchinson wrote: > > > <l rend="indent">As he landed his crew with care;</l>

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Re: [gutvol-d] (Fwd) FW: Copyright Infringement of Gone With the Wind
by Dennis McCarthy 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

Have they claimed that the cab driver who hit Margaret Mitchell at 13th and Peachtree in 1949 was also working for the vast P.G. conspiracy? Perhaps if she had know how it would have affected her copyright term in Australia, she would have been more careful crossing the street. Has anyone looked into rewriting the Gutenberg License to prohibiting inherited copyright holders and their attorneys from downloading PG works? --------------------------- Dennis McCarthy nihil_obstat(a)mindspring.com

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Found an indention example in TEI...
by Joshua Hutchinson 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

Google is such a wonderful thing... :) I did some further digging and found an example (of the exact poem I was using for an example, no less) from the Electronic Text Center at the UofVirginia. They use a simple rend element within the <l> tag to mark an indent. Anyone have a problem with that? It keeps the indention information, but does it within the XML tag element. The only possible issue I see if that it doesn't allow for variable length indents. Josh **** Lewis Carroll's The Hunting of the Snark <div1 type="fit" n="1"> <head> Fit the First: THE LANDING </head> <pb n="45" /> <lg type="stanza"> <l>"Just the place for a Snark!" the Bellman cried,</l> <l rend="indent">As he landed his crew with care;</l> <l>Supporting each man on the top of the tide</l> <l rend="indent">By a finger entwined in his hair.</l> </lg> <pb n="46" /> <lg type="stanza"> <l>"Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:</l> <l rend="indent">That alone should encourage the crew.</l> <l>Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:</l> <l rend="indent">What I tell you three times is true."</l> </lg> [ETC....] </div1>

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re: [gutvol-d] (Fwd) FW: Copyright Infringement of Gone With the Wind
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

frankfurtkurnit klein & selz said: > Tel: (212) 980-0120 x6735 michael, whenever you want us to call these guys, you just let us know... :+) -bowerbird

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