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re: Re: [gutvol-d] re: coming to michael doorstep with hat in hand
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

the hacker said: > Every bridge has its troll. you're now a full-fledged member of the group, david. _welcome_... -bowerbird

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re: poor little victim
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

joshua said: > You're the poor little victim of us big mean bullies! i'm no "poor little victim". i am the one toying with all of you. i wasn't "complaining" about marcello's badgering -- i find it amusing he shoots himself in the foot, and the last thing i will do is go whining to a moderator -- i was simply remarking on it as a mere observation, confident that an objective outsider would share it... your little circle of friends deludes itself if y'all think that the lurkers can't see that... -bowerbird

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re: Re: [gutvol-d] press releases and puke on a reporter's shoes
by Joshua Hutchinson 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

----- Original Message ----- From: Bowerbird(a)aol.com > > marcello said: > > I think everybody who thinks that > > you'll ever be _serious_ is really stupid. > > and i think any reasonable outsider reading these threads > will be able to clearly see that i contribute a lot of thought, > while all you do here is come on and badger me continuously. > Yep ... That's why *so* many people have been jumping to your defense lately! You're the poor little victim of us big mean bullies! Josh

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Re: [gutvol-d] Re: barriers to XML posting
by Joshua Hutchinson 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

Honestly, I see an easy compromise here. As long as a conformant TEXT file and a conformant HTML file show up with the XML file, I say post all three. Granted, right now we don't have a method for the WW'ers to verify the XML file is valid, so if you want to put a disclaimer to that effect in the file ... fine. But this way, the XML folks can get the catalog of texts they want and the process will be able to make incremental steps forward. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl Eichwalder <ke(a)gnu.franken.de> To: gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org Subject: [gutvol-d] Re: barriers to XML posting Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:21:54 +0200 > > Greg Newby <gbnewby(a)pglaf.org> writes: > > > Your claim that we need to start posting more stuff in > > XML in order to achieve the ** goal above does not make sense > > to me. I do not see the logic. > > I am very interested in XML files. Please post them even if they look > useless to you. > > -- > | ,__o > | _-\_<, > http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | (*)/'(*) > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d >

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re: Re: [gutvol-d] press releases and puke on a reporter's shoes
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

marcello said: > I think everybody who thinks that > you'll ever be _serious_ is really stupid. and i think any reasonable outsider reading these threads will be able to clearly see that i contribute a lot of thought, while all you do here is come on and badger me continuously. -bowerbird

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POD update.
by Norm Wolcott 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

This is probably of most interest to DP'ers, but this is the only discussion site. Recently several new self publishing sites have emerged with zero up front publishing costs. Two I have looked at are www.lulu.com and www.cafepress.com There are 2 jules verne books on Cafe. Costs are $7 + .03/page for Cafe and $4 + .02/page for Lulu. Print resoloution, gray scale images not covered in the web sites. These prices are comparable to xerox costs. I checked out the shipping it was $4 flat on cafe, and 2.46 media mail from Lulu for a 8 1/2 by 11 300 p book. Journey to the Interior of the earth was 300 pages, so it might include some illustrations. No preview was available. Might be on Amazon.com, says Boulder Pier Press. Check back withme if you get any more info on these or better no cost upfront services. nwolcott2(a)post.harvard.edu Friar Wolcott, Gutenberg Abbey, Sherwood Forrest

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Re: [gutvol-d] jeroen's even-handed analysis
by Joshua Hutchinson 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Collins <brad(a)chenla.org> <snipped a wonderful essay> Thank you, Brad. That was probably the best essay I've read on WHY XML markup is such a good idea. I've got a good 40-50 years left in this lifetime. I want to get to the digital e-text nirvana by then. XML seems to be the best first step. Josh

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re: Re: [gutvol-d] Re: aspects of a well-done e-book
by Joshua Hutchinson 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

No, no, no. We NEVER expect you (as a consumer) to have to convert files from the master XML format to format du jour. However, if you want something non-standard (like a text file that *includes* source page numbers), *then* you may have to convert it yourself. If you want an HTML with pink backgrounds and purple text, you can convert a copy yourself (if you have the tools and the know-how) but we won't have such a version pre-made on the download page. Basically, we will never have LESS available than we do now. The XML initiative is about giving more options above and beyond the baseline we already have (as well as making like easier on the text preparers and maintainers). Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Baechler <tb(a)baechler.net> To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org> Subject: re: Re: [gutvol-d] Re: aspects of a well-done e-book Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:46:03 -0700 > > At 01:02 AM 10/21/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >As you say, the information is in the source file, but currently inaccessible > >to you. One of the ways to solve this problem is to switch to a relatively > >standard master document format, such as TEI, combined with flexible tools > >that > >could convert the source to other editions such as HTML or text, while > >allowing > >us to choose how much of the preserved information, and to also choose how > >that > >information was encoded. You could then easily generate for yourself a 'with > >page numbers' text edition of the document you're interested in. > > > So, does this mean that I now not only have to download the master xml > file, the css, and a set of conversion tools? You must be kidding, > right? If it came to that, I would rather have the plain text and forget > the page numbers. It is already inconvenient to use "lynx -dump -nolist > filename.htm." Why in the world would I want to run it through a > conversion tool and still have to do that anyway? OK, so a plain text file > can be output directly from the xml. I still have to go through at least > one extra conversion step that I wouldn't have to otherwise. I had a look > at sgml just to see how hard it would be to get plain text. What a royal > pain! I gave up when it kept complaining about some file missing when I > was using their samples. > > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d(a)lists.pglaf.org > http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d >

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Re: [gutvol-d] re: coming to michael doorstep with hat in hand
by <name>XML Queen</name> 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

Marcello Perathoner wrote: > Maybe we could lure another troll onto this list and have the two of them fight each other until they've both had it. You rang, babycakes? I am XML Queen Letitia! Hear me ROAR!! You've been doing things all wrong for the last 30 years. :+?/> x/M/l is the Way, the Truth, and the Light. There's no point what-so-fricken-ever in giving people choice. FEED the Democratic citizens of Gutenbergia XmL and they will use it with my viewer PROGRAM which will dazzle them. I have written ROUTINES in LOGO which will transform your worthless TXT into XML, XSLT, XQML, and XBB38GGOBS. You cannot have these routines unless you bow down to me becuase otherwise YOU are not worthy. It will be fun for you to redo work already done ;+?/> I have an ally in this list I SEE. BOWERBIRD is very evanGELical, but she consistently mis-labels xML (I know z and x are very close on the keyboard). I am a competitive interpretive yogalates-funk artist AND I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU GEEKS. Fear me, Letita. -- twajs

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re: Re: [gutvol-d] Re: aspects of a well-done e-book
by Bowerbird＠aol.com 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

josh said: > Now Internet Explorer doesn't seem to have a way > to switch styles on the fly, which is a shame a big shame, since i.e. still has -- what -- 93% of all surfers? -bowerbird

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