roger said:
> Here's an update on
> my "zero markup" experiment.
oh roger. roger, roger, roger.
what a baffling thread this has been.
i don't even know where to begin...
i do need to say that i'm very sorry that
none of your friends here told you that
your "zero markup" is one and the same
with my "zen markup"... indeed, for the
first years, i even called it "zero markup".
(i renamed it "zen" because it's cooler;
but "z" always was a mere placeholder,
so i can say i'm "two steps past" x.m.l.)
so when i read your initial post on this,
i wondered if you were just punking me.
(i suspect that you do indeed have some
friends here on this list, but they did not
say anything to wise you up because they
were as perplexed by your post as i was.)
the language you used was a very close
paraphrasing of language _i_ have used,
and been using here for 8+ years now...
you can see this for yourself if you google
"zero markup language", where you'll find
lots of cases of that exact same language.
but it didn't seem like you were punking.
it seemed like you were serious about it.
which was even _more_ baffling, honestly.
for years, you have dumped on me, roger.
not constantly, or extreme, but you _did_.
is it really true that -- for all that time --
you had not one clue about the major idea
i promulgated on this list that whole time?
that's a _shocking_ admission, roger.
it says you judged me without considering
the entirety of the evidence in front of you.
that shows you don't have one bit of class.
and, as bad, you don't do your homework.
and i don't say any of that in anger, either.
it's just a straightforward assessment of it.
but it's a damning one.
it woulda been better to say you were just
punking me than to admit you're ignorant,
especially as the ignorance is self-inflicted.
and to be ignorant about what i have done
_and_ diss me in addition? inexcusable...
like i said, i'm sorry i had to be the one to
tell you this. i know it woulda been better
coming from a friend, and much earlier,
when you could have "explained it away"
by saying "i thought what i was saying is
different from what bowerbird says, but
upon further reflection i see that it's not",
or something like that... but now you are
just plain stuck in the middle of the road,
with cars whizzing all about, to and fro...
plus you've made yourself look very bad.
it's sad.
***
as for your success, or lack of it, i'm uncertain.
perhaps you haven't worked on it long enough?
because i'm getting my z.m.l. to work just fine.
and the things that you consider to be obstacles
are problems that i solved a long, long time ago.
either that or they aren't really problems at all...
of course, i'm not navigating marcello's workflow,
because -- frankly -- his approach will not work,
at least not easily, or in a mutually satisfying way.
(marcello doesn't care about mutual satisfaction.)
so i'd suggest that you overthrow that workflow.
and once you've removed that political obstruction,
you'll discover the technical challenges melt away...
> I don't know where I'm going with this from here,
> if anywhere.
that's ok. i can direct z.m.l.'s progress just fine.
so i'll take it from here, roger.
-bowerbird
