this listserve is too heterogeneous and disparate -- those are 2 nice words for "scatterbrained" -- to bring any kind of "formal charges" against p.g. you complain about their submission policies? why? in spite of any problems with the written policies, the p.g. library managed to amass 30,000 books. so someone seems to have worked out how to submit a book to p.g., and p.g. seems to have figured out how to accept it and place it online. for the rare people out there who don't know how, it boils down to a negotiation between a producer and a p.g. whitewasher, until the producer molds a type of submission the whitewasher has in mind. even the most experienced producers have to go through this process, including independent ones -- like nicholas hodson, who's done 700 books -- and d.p. stalwarts like rfrank, lucy24, and others, many of whom have now digitized nearly as many. you're just giving al an "easy out" for his response, not to mention good reasons for him to stay away from this listserve altogether in the future, just like the other whitewashers have already "learned" to do, after having become convinced that listening to you "is a big waste of time". can't say that i blame them. you'll need to be far more focused and constructive. -bowerbird p.s. and john, you want to be told how you can help? al has told us, indirectly but very clearly nonetheless, that p.g. does not want any help from us, thank you... unless we're a cog in their "produce a book" machine. because, you know, their status quo is so peachy keen.