On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 08:58:55AM +0700, Brad Collins wrote:
Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> writes:
Yes. You'll see I'm now using just 'Project Gutenberg' for the publisher name -- after coment from Greg. The a subfield can be used for place of publication, but ... I'm not sure what that is. Is it still Urbana (I thought PG had long since moved from there)? Is it the business address of PGLAF? Is it the home town of ibiblio? In the end, it seemed easiest to omit that.
I always used Urbana because it's the historical home, and of course PG still has a presence there (i.e., Michael).
[snip]
There is no 100% accurate place to list.
Since the place of publication is important for determining copyright restrictions in some cases, I think it would be better to include a place of publication.
I definitely agree. I left the below for context, but wanted to mention my favorite is: [Urbana, Illinois]: Project Gutenberg, 2004. Note, I added the state, since there are many Urbanas. Urbana is as accurate as we are likely to get. -- Greg
This has bothered me for some time. I've always wondered how to handle virtual organizations which don't really have a place of publication in the conventional sense like PG or the Apache Group.
So I did a little digging in the ISBD specs and found the following:
,----[ ISBD(ER) 4.1.13 ] | 4.1.13 When a place of publication, production or distribution does | not appear anywhere in the item, the name of the known city or town | is supplied in square brackets. If the city or town is uncertain, or | unknown, the name of the probable city or town followed by a | question mark is supplied in square brackets. e.g. | | - [Paris] | - [Prague?] `----
,----[ ISBD(ER) 4.1.14 ] | 4.1.14 When the name of a city or town cannot be given, the name of | the state, province or country is given, according to the same | stipulations as are applicable to the names of cities or towns. | e.g. | | - Canada | Editorial comment: Known as place of publication; | appears in prescribed source. `----
Since PG doesn't explicitly state that the place of publication is in the States in etexts, (is that right?) this would suggest something like:
- [USA]: Project Gutenberg, 2004.
or (I prefer)
- [Urbana]: Project Gutenberg, 2004.
in BMF this might look like:
published : ‐ $pl[[USA]]: $pb[Project Gutenberg], $dt[2004]
or more verbose BMF (bxids only for example):
published : ‐ $pl[$d:bxid://geo:IKE8-5510 $l:[USA]]: $pb[$d:bxid://aut:JIQ6-7286 $l:Project Gutenberg], $dt[$v:2004-10-12 $l:2004]
BMF subfields used: (For complete list of subfields see: http://192.168.0.103/cgi-bin/bmf.cgi/Reference/SubfieldQuickRef.html)
pl place name d defined-by l label pb publisher name dt inclusive dates v value-- in dt it should be a iso8601 formated date
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