James Linden wrote: <snipped a lot of stuff> There are two things I wanted to say to this: One was that other than bowerbird, the rest of the discussions, while sometimes passionate, are not typically mean spirited. We just have people who feel passionate about their particular vision of what PG should be (as it looks like you feel as well, from your post). In the end, most of the people who write the most respect each other and each other's opinions. And discussion of the topics at hand is the only method we have of moving forward. The second is that while a more simple XML markup, like what you loosely described as PGXML, sounds wonderful on the surface ... it requires, once again, largely reinvented the wheel AND not being compatible with a standard that seems to be gaining momentum out there. Granted, the very nature of XML makes converting from a home-grown markup to TEI a possibility, removing the need to convert would seem to be the wiser path. Josh