al> why should any updater put up with those complaints? bb>>hey wait, al, am i one of those "three main complainers"? In practice the "main complainers" are not anyone who posts on this forum but rather: 1) The PP at DP who choose simply ignore PG recommendations and "do their own thing" at the same time DP is making noises about "going their own way" because they also find PG's current posting restrictions onerous. People at DP also cannot be happy that their efforts remain unreadable in practice on PG -- even though if they better understood the limitations of EPUB and MOBI devices and small displays in general they *could* be making "HTML" submissions which also reasonably target those machines. One of the noises that people at DP are making is how PG shreds their submissions and then allows other repackaging houses to redistribute those PG results with the PG designation removed -- but with the DP designation intact! 2) Real people who read PG works but don't read them from PG and may not even realize that they come from PG but rather read them from one or another repackaging houses which strip out the worse of the formatting issues in order to make those works more readable in practice on the devices that real people actually choose to read on nowadays. I guess I am naïve but I would have hoped that "the powers that be" at PG would realize that there *is* advantages to having real people read PG books directly from PG and thereby understand and acknowledge that those books in fact do come from PG and do not magically appear somehow out of the ether.