Joseph R. Gruber
joseph.gruber@gmail.com
http://www.josephgruber.com

On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Michael S. Hart <hart@pglaf.org> wrote:

On Sun, 10 May 2009, Joseph R. Gruber wrote:

> Sigh. It's like talking to a brick wall which is nothing new with you.

See, even more evidence that you are a program,
you are just repeating what I just said.

> First, let me start off by stating I was participating in this conversation
> and merely brought up the point of bowerbird's statements of past.

Then bring them up. . .

> As a smart person you can understand how contextual history would
> provide enhanced knowledge of the conversation.

. . .in the context you so desperately say is required.

> Now, you bring up the point of me attacking people. Again I request -- let
> me know where I have done so. You still continue to attack even in this
> e-mail and have yet to bring anything to this conversation beyond phantasies
> as Marcello points out.

Again, you are simply mirroring my own comments.

Come up with your own if you want any attention,
to yourself, or to the points you SAY you should
be working with, but are actually avoiding.

I couldn't agree with you more that bowerbird is
often obnoxious and abrasive, but you should see
that you should do something better here. . . .

Otherwise you are just getting down into the mud
where some people obviously enjoy it.

> You can try to keep responding to these e-mails and keep this thread going
> or you can respect that I sent one e-mail providing history on bowerbird

What history. . . ?

What context. . . ?

Just in case people have forgotten the origins of the words
you are using in your messages, in your Eliza type replies,
here are the actual words, in context, where they originate
and proper credit given to the originator:

Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 16:00:13 -0400
From: Joseph R. Gruber <joseph.gruber@gmail.com>
Reply-To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion

<gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org>

To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion

<gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org>

Subject: [gutvol-d] Re: !@! Re: Re: larger-format kindle

Which lies are you referring to? Yours?
Like always I'll be waiting here with baited breathed for that
application to show up.

Joseph R. Gruber
joseph.gruber@gmail.com

http://www.josephgruber.com [www.josephgruber.com]

On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 1:29 PM, <Bowerbird@aol.com> wrote:
joseph gruber said:
> please realize that these are wild fantasies of his
> and you'll never see such an application materalize

you guys never learn, do you?

even when your credibility is completely shredded,
you keep telling your lies like you really believe 'em.

-bowerbird

and where is this "history" and "context" you SO desire?

I see YOUR words here, you attacking, no actual context,
no actual history. This should be enough for anyone for
the purposes of calling your bluffs.

Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 07:45:39 -0400
From: Joseph R. Gruber <joseph.gruber@gmail.com>
Reply-To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion

<gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org>

To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion

<gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org>

Subject: [gutvol-d] Re: !@! Re: Re: larger-format kindle

Not to stir up an old pot but for those who are not use to bowerbird
please realize that these are wild fantasies of his and you'll never
see such an application materalize. So now worry about the PG
trademark or anything else he is spewing. Heck, I'm still waiting
for his version of DP that he was going to build that was SOOOO much
better.

Joseph R. Gruber
joseph.gruber@gmail.com

http://www.josephgruber.com [www.josephgruber.com]

> that you immediately attacked and when I requested you stop attacking
> Marcello you started this whole rant

No, it is _I_ who asked you to stop in the following message:

Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:15:52 -0800 (AKDT)
From: Michael S. Hart <hart@pglaf.org>
To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion

<gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org>

Subject: [gutvol-d] Gruber Re: Re: !@! Re: Re: larger-format kindle

Yes, you ARE trying "to stir up an old pot"
and I would appreciate it if you stop.

Thanks!!!

Michael S. Hart
Founder
Project Gutenberg

and who asked Marcello to stop in this message:

Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:24:16 -0800 (AKDT)
From: Michael S. Hart <hart@pglaf.org>
To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion

<gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org>

Subject: [gutvol-d] Re: Fwd: Re: Re: larger-format kindle

Marcello, once again I request you stop being so silly here.

. . . .

> rant and rave

Yes, you continue, Eliza-like, to prove my point, yet again,
by using my own words and position as if they were yours.

> pretending that you are this omnipotent dictator who is
> standing up for your volunteers.

That is the biggest argument used AGAINST my positions,
that I refuse the powers of censorship and to use power
I don't want to have.

One again you have said "TAILS!" when all see "HEADS!"

It is so obvious that this exchange has become a boring
one in that you are too obviously replying as Eliza.

> Please go back and re-read this
> conversation and you will see how history see's you sir.

As you can see, I have already beaten you to the punch,
already did that. . .and the sound you hear is a defeat
of all of your attempts. . ."The Sounds of Silence."

;=)

Nothing further need be said, you have done so well at
defeating your own stated purpose.

You remind me of "The Terrible Trivium"
when Rhyme and Reason have fled. . . .

In one of the books listed below. . . .

Thanks!!!

Michael S. Hart
Founder
Project Gutenberg

Inventor of ebooks

Recommended Books:

Dandelion Wine, by Ray Bradbury: For The Right Brain
Diamond Age, by Neal Stephenson: To Understand The Internet
The Phantom Tollbooth, by Norton Juster: Lesson of Life. . .

>
> Joseph R. Gruber
> joseph.gruber@gmail.com
> http://www.josephgruber.com
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Michael S. Hart <hart@pglaf.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Sun, 10 May 2009, Joseph R. Gruber wrote:
> >
> > > Of course you do sir -- attack, then go and hide.
> >
> > OK, let's make this clear for everyone before ignoring you.
> >
> > You attacked while denying it was an attack, stirring up the old.
> >
> > I pointed out that you were indeed stirring up the old stuff,
> > nothing new in what you have said, then or now.
> >
> > Each thing I say, you just mirror it back as if a schoolboy,
> > saying, "Oh, no, it's YOU who are doing what you have said."
> >
> > There is nothing original in what you said then or now,
> > you could simply be an "Eliza" type program, designed to
> > cut and paste words from some previous message into some
> > supposedly "new" message designed to provoke a response.
> >
> > If you know nothing else about my participation in this
> > list over its various incarnations for 20 years, it has
> > to be obvious that you cannot provoke me.
> >
> > I demonstrate that a person can be rational, responsive
> > and even temperate and moderate in the face of such big
> > trashy fallacious comments, and everyone knows this.
> >
> > Now you know it, too, and you can make as many comments
> > as you like, knowing that I detest censorship even more
> > than I detest what you are saying.
> >
> > You are attacking PEOPLE not ideas.
> >
> > Reply to CONTENT rather than attacking the PEOPLE.
> >
> > Until you come up with something constructive to say it
> > is only in defense of others that I should reply.
> >
> > Everyone here can easily see through your pretenses and
> > see that you just rant that everything YOU do is what I
> > am doing. . .and you expect anyone to BELIEVE that?
> >
> > Oh, how little you think of our readers here.
> >
> > And obviously of yourself, to demean yourself so much.
> >
> > I suggest you stop and think for a while and then come
> > up with something positive to say, for your negativity
> > is not getting you, or us, anywhere.
> >
> >
> > Hoping to thank you soon for your time & consideration
> >
> >
> > Michael S. Hart
> > Founder
> > Project Gutenberg
> >
> >
> >
> > > Joseph R. Gruber
> > > joseph.gruber@gmail.com
> > > http://www.josephgruber.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Michael S. Hart <hart@pglaf.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, Mr. Gruber, you obviously think that by using my own kinds
> > > > of statements in reverse will convince anyone that has seen the
> > > > previous context. . .just another grade school tactic.
> > > >
> > > > Now. . .after all that. . .how about a real strategy instead of
> > > > just these short range tactics.
> > > >
> > > > How about something that will justify the time and effort spent
> > > > on reading your comments and responding to them.
> > > >
> > > > Until such a time, I reserve the right not to answer at all.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > mh
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