joey said:
>   you'd have us all believe that there is
>   some massive influx of browsing
>   that was never happening before
>   simply because Apple released the iPhone.

that's exactly what i'm saying, you're right.

(which is a huge improvement, in the sense that
now you're not trying to put words in my mouth.)

there are some 60 million people out there with
itouch/iphone hardware who now visit the web
-- at least occasionally -- who did not before...

don't get me wrong.  the opera mini-browser
was a huge accomplishment, once upon a time.
it was just placed in the wrong hardware is all.

(and, on the flip side, nokia had some very cool
hardware, but it was plagued by uncool software,
and a user-base that never attained critical mass.
that's the important concept here folks, critical mass.)


>   Your assertions hold no water.

i'm _astounded_ anyone questions this observation,
since those 60 million people are darn hard to miss!
indeed, joey, didn't you say your wife was one of us?


>   if you're AT&T, and you managed to find
>   a massive scapegoat for your systemic failure,
>   you'd jump all over that too.

i see.  now you admit that 60 million users constitutes
a "massive" phenomenon.  so we have some progress.


>   Even assuming that AT&T is being honest
>   (which is not a given by any means)

at&t conceded they can't handle the traffic in n.y. city.
i'm sure plenty of people in manhattan can vouch for that.


>   and that this isn't some marketing ploy
>   Apple and AT&T cooked up

oh yeah, sure, it's a great "marketing ploy" to admit that
you can't handle the traffic in the country's biggest city.
it's the kind of thing that does wonders for a reputation.


>   an especially uncomfortable thought since
>   I'm a daily victim of that horrid monstrosity
>   and can personally attest that it has not gotten
>   any worse in the 2+ years since the introduction
>   of the iPhone.

it hasn't gotten any better, either, which is terribly sad.

especially when the reports came out that said that
even though at&t is making more money than before,
they haven't plowed much of it back into building up
their capacity for the future.  it seems that they would
rather just take the money and run.  fake steve jobs
had a great column on this about 2-4 weeks back...


>   you led me to believe you were developing your ZML app
>   on the only computer you could afford, and it was
>   several years old at the time

your reading comprehension skills have never impressed me.


>   Where's the download link for this editor/viewer?

join the zml_talk group at yahoogroups, and you can find
the programs in the "files" section, dated june 9, 2005...

write up a thoughtful review and post it to this listserve,
and then i'll send you a more recent copy if you want one.

but i get the feeling you're not interested.  you just wanted
to hurl an insult, and you didn't know that the one you threw
("vaporware"!) had its viability demolished over 5 years ago...

-bowerbird