Don>My mistake. I thought you were asking why other people needed page numbers. Well, its just a question of whether PG/DP are addressing the right needs for today, or responding to perceived needs of the past. I'm not against having the page numbers documented in the source file somewhere, as long as it doesn't get in the way of the primary need: people have got to have something they can actually read "like a book" without being constantly interrupted by the techno-desires of the techno-nerds to stuff their ugly complexifications in everywhere -- whether the readers want it or not. The hardware designers seem to be beginning to understand this better, and are doing the "auto-hide" stuff, with unblemished "full screen reading" until the reader actively indicates they actually want to be exposed to the techno-nerd complexifications again. For the same reason if I want to watch a movie on a computer (and I do not) I like having the option of "Full Screen Mode" -- so that I can actually *watch* the movie, rather than being constantly exposed to all the widgets that some techno-nerd has decided someone might have fun playing with -- instead of watching the movie.