On Sun, 10 May 2009, Joseph R. Gruber wrote:
Sigh. It's like talking to a brick wall which is nothing new with you.
See, even more evidence that you are a program, you are just repeating what I just said.
First, let me start off by stating I was participating in this conversation and merely brought up the point of bowerbird's statements of past.
Then bring them up. . .
As a smart person you can understand how contextual history would provide enhanced knowledge of the conversation.
. . .in the context you so desperately say is required.
Now, you bring up the point of me attacking people. Again I request -- let me know where I have done so. You still continue to attack even in this e-mail and have yet to bring anything to this conversation beyond phantasies as Marcello points out.
Again, you are simply mirroring my own comments. Come up with your own if you want any attention, to yourself, or to the points you SAY you should be working with, but are actually avoiding. I couldn't agree with you more that bowerbird is often obnoxious and abrasive, but you should see that you should do something better here. . . . Otherwise you are just getting down into the mud where some people obviously enjoy it.
You can try to keep responding to these e-mails and keep this thread going or you can respect that I sent one e-mail providing history on bowerbird
What history. . . ? What context. . . ? Just in case people have forgotten the origins of the words you are using in your messages, in your Eliza type replies, here are the actual words, in context, where they originate and proper credit given to the originator: Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 16:00:13 -0400 From: Joseph R. Gruber <joseph.gruber@gmail.com> Reply-To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> Subject: [gutvol-d] Re: !@! Re: Re: larger-format kindle Which lies are you referring to? Yours? Like always I'll be waiting here with baited breathed for that application to show up. Joseph R. Gruber joseph.gruber@gmail.com http://www.josephgruber.com [www.josephgruber.com] On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 1:29 PM, <Bowerbird@aol.com> wrote: joseph gruber said: > please realize that these are wild fantasies of his > and you'll never see such an application materalize you guys never learn, do you? even when your credibility is completely shredded, you keep telling your lies like you really believe 'em. -bowerbird and where is this "history" and "context" you SO desire? I see YOUR words here, you attacking, no actual context, no actual history. This should be enough for anyone for the purposes of calling your bluffs. Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 07:45:39 -0400 From: Joseph R. Gruber <joseph.gruber@gmail.com> Reply-To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> Subject: [gutvol-d] Re: !@! Re: Re: larger-format kindle Not to stir up an old pot but for those who are not use to bowerbird please realize that these are wild fantasies of his and you'll never see such an application materalize. So now worry about the PG trademark or anything else he is spewing. Heck, I'm still waiting for his version of DP that he was going to build that was SOOOO much better. Joseph R. Gruber joseph.gruber@gmail.com http://www.josephgruber.com [www.josephgruber.com]
that you immediately attacked and when I requested you stop attacking Marcello you started this whole rant
No, it is _I_ who asked you to stop in the following message: Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:15:52 -0800 (AKDT) From: Michael S. Hart <hart@pglaf.org> To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> Subject: [gutvol-d] Gruber Re: Re: !@! Re: Re: larger-format kindle Yes, you ARE trying "to stir up an old pot" and I would appreciate it if you stop. Thanks!!! Michael S. Hart Founder Project Gutenberg and who asked Marcello to stop in this message: Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:24:16 -0800 (AKDT) From: Michael S. Hart <hart@pglaf.org> To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> Subject: [gutvol-d] Re: Fwd: Re: Re: larger-format kindle Marcello, once again I request you stop being so silly here. . . . .
rant and rave
Yes, you continue, Eliza-like, to prove my point, yet again, by using my own words and position as if they were yours.
pretending that you are this omnipotent dictator who is standing up for your volunteers.
That is the biggest argument used AGAINST my positions, that I refuse the powers of censorship and to use power I don't want to have. One again you have said "TAILS!" when all see "HEADS!" It is so obvious that this exchange has become a boring one in that you are too obviously replying as Eliza.
Please go back and re-read this conversation and you will see how history see's you sir.
As you can see, I have already beaten you to the punch, already did that. . .and the sound you hear is a defeat of all of your attempts. . ."The Sounds of Silence." ;=) Nothing further need be said, you have done so well at defeating your own stated purpose. You remind me of "The Terrible Trivium" when Rhyme and Reason have fled. . . . In one of the books listed below. . . . Thanks!!! Michael S. Hart Founder Project Gutenberg Inventor of ebooks Recommended Books: Dandelion Wine, by Ray Bradbury: For The Right Brain Diamond Age, by Neal Stephenson: To Understand The Internet The Phantom Tollbooth, by Norton Juster: Lesson of Life. . .
Joseph R. Gruber joseph.gruber@gmail.com http://www.josephgruber.com
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Michael S. Hart <hart@pglaf.org> wrote:
On Sun, 10 May 2009, Joseph R. Gruber wrote:
Of course you do sir -- attack, then go and hide.
OK, let's make this clear for everyone before ignoring you.
You attacked while denying it was an attack, stirring up the old.
I pointed out that you were indeed stirring up the old stuff, nothing new in what you have said, then or now.
Each thing I say, you just mirror it back as if a schoolboy, saying, "Oh, no, it's YOU who are doing what you have said."
There is nothing original in what you said then or now, you could simply be an "Eliza" type program, designed to cut and paste words from some previous message into some supposedly "new" message designed to provoke a response.
If you know nothing else about my participation in this list over its various incarnations for 20 years, it has to be obvious that you cannot provoke me.
I demonstrate that a person can be rational, responsive and even temperate and moderate in the face of such big trashy fallacious comments, and everyone knows this.
Now you know it, too, and you can make as many comments as you like, knowing that I detest censorship even more than I detest what you are saying.
You are attacking PEOPLE not ideas.
Reply to CONTENT rather than attacking the PEOPLE.
Until you come up with something constructive to say it is only in defense of others that I should reply.
Everyone here can easily see through your pretenses and see that you just rant that everything YOU do is what I am doing. . .and you expect anyone to BELIEVE that?
Oh, how little you think of our readers here.
And obviously of yourself, to demean yourself so much.
I suggest you stop and think for a while and then come up with something positive to say, for your negativity is not getting you, or us, anywhere.
Hoping to thank you soon for your time & consideration
Michael S. Hart Founder Project Gutenberg
Joseph R. Gruber joseph.gruber@gmail.com http://www.josephgruber.com
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Michael S. Hart <hart@pglaf.org> wrote:
Yes, Mr. Gruber, you obviously think that by using my own kinds of statements in reverse will convince anyone that has seen the previous context. . .just another grade school tactic.
Now. . .after all that. . .how about a real strategy instead of just these short range tactics.
How about something that will justify the time and effort spent on reading your comments and responding to them.
Until such a time, I reserve the right not to answer at all.
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