I don't know how you use Google, but your #21839 appears for me: Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austen - Project Gutenberg Jun 15, 2007 ... Download the free ebook: Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austen. www.gutenberg.org/etext/21839 - Cached - Similar The Project Gutenberg eBook of Sense & Sensibility, by Jane Austen End of the Project Gutenberg EBook of Sense and Sensibility, by Jane Austen ... www.gutenberg.org/files/21839/21839-h/21839-h.htm The Project Gutenberg EBook of Sense and Sensibility, by Jane ... Jan 18, 2009 ... Project Gutenberg is a registered trademark, and may not be ... www.gutenberg.org/files/21839/21839-8.txt Interestingly enough, our audio book comes up very high, as well. Now, in all fairness, I will be the first to admit that the order in which the various editions appears fluctuates from time to time as Google change policies affect the results. [See Microsoft suing Google in Europe, etc.] Today, for example, your edition shows up around #30 in all the results of "project gutenberg" "sense and sensibility by jane austen" which I did cut and paste from the exact words in your message. I have asked in the past for volunteers who know how to make higher ranked hits for us, but all in all, those hits all refer to us, though, as said: some of the hits, even the first one for your edition, comes from outside, not directly from Project Gutenberg. All you have to do to make YOUR edition move up the charts is all the same things millions of other sites do, and I have no objection to you trying a manipulation of this kind. If it works out, perhaps we should modify our headers and footers to quite literally pull ourselves up by our bootstraps. As for those who never, or rarely, update their Project Gutenberg eBooks-- you can say it makes us look better by comparison, and thus encourage more people to come directly to our sites. However, to keep doors closed that could be open is not the way to get the most eBooks to the most people. Michael On Fri, 26 Feb 2010, Sankar Viswanathan wrote:
As soon as a book is released in PG, a number of other sites copy this, make their own formats and release it.
Now when PG pre-releases a book this process will repeated. The other sites will make their own format and release the book.
When the final corrected book is posted to PG, very few sites would update their version.
Our experience in correcting the earlier texts bears this out. Even when an updated and corrected version is posted, not many sites update their version. The old error ridden version continues. Also the older version comes up when you google for the book.
For example Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austen is EText#161. This was corrected and a new illustrated version posted in 2007 (#21839). But when you google you get only Etext#161. Fortunately this has also been updated in January, 2009.
Having done the illustrated version Solo, I know.
So in effect PG will be releasing a number of error-ridden books.
Again the side effects of this could be
Many active volunteers in D.P may lose interest. These are the proofers and formatters who do not get their name in the credit line. A drop in the active volunteers of DP is definitely not in the best interests of PG.
IMHO, it is for DP to decide whether the pre-release version should be released taking into account the sensitivities of the volunteers. Forum discussions in D.P can not be taken as the representative opinion of D.P volunteers.
D.P does not release crap unlike some of the software producers (including open source) who release software full of bugs and what not.
Sankar Viswanathan
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Marcello Perathoner <marcello@perathoner.de> wrote: don kretz wrote:
It's not uncommon among programmers, either, I've found, apropo of nothing, present company excepted, etc.
The Free Software community says: "Release early, release often."
Its the proprietary software producers that let you wait forever and then release crap.
Now, which of these is DP?
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