That does work, but why note use the already existing <note place="margin"> markup? Then, you don't have to do the extra work of segmenting your paragraph for the same result. For an HTML edition, it already works in our transform. The text version we just have to decide HOW to handle it, then code up the transform. My version of your example: <div n="1" type="chapter"> <head type="title">The Romance of Merlin.</head> <head type="section title">CHAPTER I</head> <head type="subtitle">CONSULTATION OF DEVILS, AND BIRTH OF MERLIN.</head> <pb ed="folio" n="1a" /> <p><note place="margin">Anger of the Devil against our Lord.</note> Fvll wrothe and angry was the Deuell, whan that oure lorde hadde ben in helle, and had take oute Adam and Eve, and other at his plesier; and whan the fendes sien that, they hadden right grete feer and gret merveile; <note place="margin">Assembly of the fiends and their discussion.</note> thei assembleden to-gedir, and seiden, "What is he this thus vs supprisith and dis-troyeth, in so moche that our strengthes ne nought ellis that we haue may nought with-holde hym, nor again hym stonde in no diffence; but that he doth all that hym lyketh, we ne trowe not that eny man myght be bore of woman, but that he sholde ben oures, and he that thus vs distroyeth, how is he born in whom we <unclear resp="wheatly">did</unclear> knowe non erthely delyte." Than ansuerde anothir fende and seide, "He this hath distroyed that which we wende sholde haue be mooste oure a-vaile. <note place="margin">The prophets said that God should come on earth to save sinners.</note> Remembre ye not how the prophetes seiden, how that god shulde come in to erthe for to saue the synners of Adam and Eve, and we yeden bysily a-boute theym that so seiden, and dide them moste turment of eny othir pepill, and it semed by their <unclear resp="wheatly">feire</unclear> semblant, that it greved hem but litill or nought, but they comforted hem that weren synners, and seide that oon sholde come, which sholde delyuer hem out of tharldome and disese.</p> <pb ed="eets" n="1" /> </div> Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Collins <brad@chenla.org> To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] on the question of sidenotes, footnotes, and end-notes Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:57:42 +0700
The side note is not always the same as an end note or foot note. Take the following attempt at an ascii version of the first page of the EETS edition of the Romance of Merlin. It's the best I could do using a proportional font.
Note: This example is 80 columns--some mail programs might mangle this. If it looks like it's a mess, try re-sizing your window larger. If it still doesn't look right then your mailer has inserted hard line-breaks.
-- Begin -- The Romance of Merlin.
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CHAPTER I . CONSULTATION OF DEVILS, AND BIRTH OF MERLIN.
Fvll wrothe and angry was the Deuell, whan that oure lorde [Fol 1a.] hadde ben in helle, and had take oute Adam and Eve, and Anger of the other at his plesier; and whan the fendes sien that, they hadden Devil against right grete feer and gret merveile; thei assembleden to-gedir, our Lord. and seiden, "What is he this thus vs supprisith and dis- troyeth, in so moche that our strengthes ne nought ellis that we Assembly of haue may nought with-holde hym, nor again hym stonde in no the fiends diffence; but that he doth all that hym lyketh, we ne trowe not and their dis- that eny man myght be bore of woman, but that he sholde ben cussion. oures, and he that thus vs distroyeth, how is he born in whom we [did]1 knowe non erthely delyte." Than ansuerde anothir fende and seide, "He this hath distroyed that which we wende sholde haue be mooste oure a-vaile. Remembre ye not how the prophetes The prophets seiden, how that god shulde come in to erthe for to saue the said that God synners of Adam and Eve, and we yeden bysily a-boute theym should come that so seiden, and dide them moste turment of eny othir pepill, on earth to and it semed by their [feire]1 semblant, that it greved hem but save sinners. litill or nought, but they comforted hem that weren synners, and seide that oon sholde come, which sholde delyuer hem out of tharldome and disese.
1 Illegible
1 -- End --
First let's ignore the running analysis and do a simple markup of the main body of the passage:
--- <div n="1" type="chapter"> <head type="title">The Romance of Merlin.</head> <head type="section title">CHAPTER I</head> <head type="subtitle">CONSULTATION OF DEVILS, AND BIRTH OF MERLIN.</head>
<pb ed="folio" n="1a" />
<p>Fvll wrothe and angry was the Deuell, whan that oure lorde hadde ben in helle, and had take oute Adam and Eve, and other at his plesier; and whan the fendes sien that, they hadden right grete feer and gret merveile; thei assembleden to-gedir, and seiden, "What is he this thus vs supprisith and dis-troyeth, in so moche that our strengthes ne nought ellis that we haue may nought with-holde hym, nor again hym stonde in no diffence; but that he doth all that hym lyketh, we ne trowe not that eny man myght be bore of woman, but that he sholde ben oures, and he that thus vs distroyeth, how is he born in whom we <unclear resp="wheatly">did</unclear> knowe non erthely delyte." Than ansuerde anothir fende and seide, "He this hath distroyed that which we wende sholde haue be mooste oure a-vaile. Remembre ye not how the prophetes seiden, how that god shulde come in to erthe for to saue the synners of Adam and Eve, and we yeden bysily a-boute theym that so seiden, and dide them moste turment of eny othir pepill, and it semed by their <unclear resp="wheatly">feire</unclear> semblant, that it greved hem but litill or nought, but they comforted hem that weren synners, and seide that oon sholde come, which sholde delyuer hem out of tharldome and disese.</p>
<pb ed="eets" n="1" /> </div> ...
Except for the <unclear> tag this is all basic TEI-Lite.
We have replaced the page break note and the page break with <pb> tags which indicate which edition they came from (the original folio manuscript or the EETS edition).
We have also marked up the `Illegible' text with the <unclear> tag with the responsibility attribute indicating that the original editor of the EETS edition, Henry B. Wheatley was responsible for indicating that the marked text was unclear.
Now, what about the running analysis. Can we use TEI to mark this up as well?
Yes.
--- <div n="1" type="chapter"> <head type="title">The Romance of Merlin.</head> <head type="section title">CHAPTER I</head> <head type="sybtitle">CONSULTATION OF DEVILS, AND BIRTH OF MERLIN.</head>
<pb ed="folio" n="1a" />
<p> <seg id="1">Fvll wrothe and angry was the Deuell, whan that oure lorde hadde ben in helle, and had take oute Adam and Eve, and other at his plesier; and whan the fendes sien that, they hadden right grete feer and gret merveile;</seg>
<seg id="2">thei assembleden to-gedir, and seiden, "What is he this thus vs supprisith and dis- troyeth, in so moche that our strengthes ne nought ellis that we haue may nought with-holde hym, nor again hym stonde in no diffence; but that he doth all that hym lyketh, we ne trowe not that eny man myght be bore of woman, but that he sholde ben oures, and he that thus vs distroyeth, how is he born in whom we <unclear resp="wheatly">did</unclear> knowe non erthely delyte." Than ansuerde anothir fende and seide, "He this hath distroyed that which we wende sholde haue be mooste oure a-vaile.</seg>
<seg id="3">Remembre ye not how the prophetes seiden, how that god shulde come in to erthe for to saue the synners of Adam and Eve, and we yeden bysily a-boute theym that so seiden, and dide them moste turment of eny othir pepill, and it semed by their <unclear resp="wheatly">feire</unclear> semblant, that it greved hem but litill or nought, but they comforted hem that weren synners, and seide that oon sholde come, which sholde delyuer hem out of tharldome and disese.</seg> </p>
<pb ed="eets" n="1" />
<interpGrp type='analysis' resp="wheatley"> <interp id='1' value='Anger of the Devil against our Lord.' /> <interp id='2' value='Assembly of the fiends and their discussion.' /> <interp id='3' value='The prophets said that God should come on earth to save sinners.' /> </interpGrp> </div> ...
We've broken the paragraph into sections which each have an id which is used to link textual analysis using <interp> tags which are collected in a `interpGrp' group tag.
An <interpGrp> can be created for the whole chapter or paragraph by paragraph.
Obviously this solution uses full blown TEI, not just the TEI-Lite subset, but it does work.
I would suggest that in the case of works like The Romance of Merlin, that PG should create two editions.
The first would be a clean, reference edition of the original text, and then a second edition with all of the textual analysis and notes from the victorian edition.
So using FRBR Entities the resulting texts would look something like this (I think, this is very confusing and I could have screwed this up).
W Romance of Merlin (circa 1450-1460). E ... Text of Middle Eng. Translation of Middle French Suite De Merlin. M ...... Original MS. Transcription. I ......... Manuscript (University Library, Cambridge University) E ...... Merlin A Prose Romance (Edited By Henry B. Wheatley, Introduction by Edward Mead, 1899) M ......... EETS ed. London, 1899. M ......... PG TEI Master ed based on EETS ed. 2004. F ............... PG Plain Text Ed. F ............... PG HTML Ed. E ...... Text Only Electronic Edition (TEI Ed. 2004). M ............ PG TEI Master Ed. F ............... PG Plain Text Ed. F ............... PG HTML Ed.
W ==> Work E ==> Expression M ==> Manifestation F ==> Format I ==> Item/Instance
The Text-Only TEI version could then be used as a base reference text by anyone to create new annotated editions.
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