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1. Re: PGTEI and prposed future-tech-developments group/forum (was "Dear Jon") (Marcello Perathoner) 2. re: FREE CD/DVD info. request. (Bowerbird@aol.com) 3. Technical Collection for Consideration. (rvijay07) 4. RE: no, the problem is (Jonathan Ingram) 5. Re: Technical Collection for Consideration. (Jonathan Ingram) 6. Re: Technical Collection for Consideration. (rvijay07) 7. Listening to EBooks in Text Format !!! (rvijay07) 8. Re: Severe Resistance to EBooks. (Branko Collin) 9. Bye Bye (Tom Harris) 10. Re: Listening to EBooks in Text Format !!! (Branko Collin) 11. Re: Technical Collection for Consideration. (Branko Collin) 12. Re: Technical Collection for Consideration. (Marcello Perathoner) 13. Re: PG Forums (Jim Tinsley)
From: Marcello Perathoner <marcello@perathoner.de> To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:32:49 +0200 Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] PGTEI and prposed future-tech-developments group/forum (was "Dear Jon")
Branko Collin wrote:
Where again is the site hosting the latest PGTEI documents (and DTD if one has been put together)? (This request is not only for me, but for others interested in PGTEI.)
Start at:
The other day there was a flurry of PGTEIization at Distributed Proofreaders. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to host the results at http://www.gutenberg.org/tei/ too.
I'd prefer to host only milestone documents and not ongoing discussions on the web site.
That said, where are the results of that digiTEIzation, so I can take a look?
-- Marcello Perathoner webmaster@gutenberg.org
From: Bowerbird@aol.com CC: To: gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org, Bowerbird@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 04:17:43 EDT Subject: re: [gutvol-d] FREE CD/DVD info. request.
on the d.v.d. i got, the links to the e-texts from the author/title .html indexes fail...
i didn't even try to figure out why, because i can manage, but if this is a problem that everyone has, it probably should be fixed...
-bowerbird
From: "rvijay07" <rvijay07@myway.com> To: gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 04:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [gutvol-d] Technical Collection for Consideration.
One of the drawbacks of PG is that it is considered mainly a fiction/literature type collection. In this regard it is good to add some Technical Books. The easiest way to do this would be to (a) Harvest Technical Books that are already hosted on other sites and then add them here. Proofreading them based on user feedback is suggested. (b) Provide a link to such a Project on PG.
In this regard here is one site for consideration: http://www.freeprogrammingresources.com
Lots of EBooks and other materials for programmers. Created/Maintained by a very enthusiastic person.
Vijay
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From: Jonathan Ingram <jonathan_ingram@yahoo.com> To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 02:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [gutvol-d] no, the problem is
--- Doug Schroeder <ds@dougschroeder.com> wrote:
bowerturkey:
there are some problems with the d.p. workflow -- some rather glaring ones, when you consider how many people are laboring under those flows,
Key issue, people are working. You (and I) are not.
Aside from the mudslinging, I thought I'd mention that the workflow at DP will be changing soon. Until now, books have done through two general proofing rounds. This is now being split into 2 pure proofreading rounds, and 2 formatting-and-final-overview rounds. This is because we're now processing books which require a lot of formatting, and we find that people find it difficult to concentrate both on proofreading and formatting. After this transition has been successfully completed, we will introduce further mini-rounds for specific content (Greek, tables, music, etc.) which requires specific talents to proofread.
-- Jon Ingram
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From: Jonathan Ingram <jonathan_ingram@yahoo.com> CC: To: rvijay07@myway.com, Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 02:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Technical Collection for Consideration.
--- rvijay07 <rvijay07@myway.com> wrote:
One of the drawbacks of PG is that it is
considered mainly a
fiction/literature type collection. In this regard it is good to add some Technical Books.
While the site you link to has some interesting content, I'd prefer to see PG remain primarily a repository of public domain material -- and this in no way stops us from increasing the amount of non-fiction texts. Indeed, there are many non-fiction texts going through DP at the moment, in many subject areas, from dictionaries to bell-ringing, cookery to history.
Sadly the overly long length of modern copyright terms mean that we won't see a large influx of public domain computer programming material for a while.
-- Jon Ingram
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From: "rvijay07" <rvijay07@myway.com> CC: gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org To: jonathan_ingram@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 06:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Technical Collection for Consideration.
There are Linux Books that are sold as HardCopy but the EBooks are free to distribute I believe.
Also, since the other site is distributing these books without trouble, wouldn't it be safe to assume that these IT EBooks are also Public Domain ? If they can be verified to be Public Domain, then can't they be hosted here ?
Thanks.
Vijay
--- On Wed 05/18, Jonathan Ingram < jonathan_ingram@yahoo.com > wrote: From: Jonathan Ingram [mailto: jonathan_ingram@yahoo.com] To: rvijay07@myway.com, gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 02:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Technical Collection for Consideration.
--- rvijay07 <rvijay07@myway.com> wrote:<br>> <br>> One of the drawbacks of PG is that it is considered mainly a<br>> fiction/literature type collection. In this regard it is good to add some<br>> Technical Books. <br><br>While the site you link to has some interesting content, I'd prefer to see PG<br>remain primarily a repository of public domain material -- and this in no way<br>stops us from increasing the amount of non-fiction texts. Indeed, there are<br>many non-fiction texts going through DP at the moment, in many subject areas,<br>from dictionaries to bell-ringing, cookery to history.<br><br>Sadly the overly long length of modern copyright terms mean that we won't see a<br>large influx of public domain computer programming material for a while.<br><br>-- <br>Jon
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From: "rvijay07" <rvijay07@myway.com> To: gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 06:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [gutvol-d] Listening to EBooks in Text Format !!!
Has anyone here tried this software ? http://www.spacejock.com/yRead.html
Please share your experience/comments.
Vijay :)
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From: "Branko Collin" <collin@xs4all.nl> To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:14:10 +0200 Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Severe Resistance to EBooks.
On 17 May 2005, at 22:40, Greg Newby wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 06:00:41PM -0400, rvijay07 wrote:
I spoke to about 10 people in the last week that I personally know. [snip] I question whether this is resistance to eBooks, or just a combination of (a) not liking to read much, or to read older literature; and (b) lack of technical facility or equipment.
I think annecdotal evidence is no evidence at all. It is useless to discuss the growing or lessening popularity of ebooks in general based on a few of Vijay's personal observations.
Those personal observations can be fun to talk about in their own right, but they are not evidence of a trend.
-- branko collin collin@xs4all.nl
From: "Tom Harris" <beacybooks@bigpond.com> To: "Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion" <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:06:09 +1000 Subject: [gutvol-d] Bye Bye
Bye Bye,
This list could be so good, but the pricks have spoiled it again. I'll give it a try in another year I suppose.
I must have proofed 10 books at least for Gutenberg, why not a list for proven contributors only?
Regards
Tom Harris BeacyBooks beacybooks@bigpond.com
From: "Branko Collin" <collin@xs4all.nl> To: gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:22:07 +0200 Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Listening to EBooks in Text Format !!!
On 18 May 2005, at 6:31, rvijay07 wrote:
Has anyone here tried this software ? http://www.spacejock.com/yRead.html
Please don't post unqualified links, that's rude. What does the software you refer to do? What is it called? Why are you interested in it?
-- branko collin collin@xs4all.nl
From: "Branko Collin" <collin@xs4all.nl> To: gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:22:07 +0200 Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Technical Collection for Consideration.
On 18 May 2005, at 4:29, rvijay07 wrote:
One of the drawbacks of PG is that it is considered mainly a fiction/literature type collection.
By whom? Why is that a drawback?
In this regard it is good to add some Technical Books.
Why?
The easiest way to do this would be to (a) Harvest Technical Books that are already hosted on other sites and then add them here. Proofreading them based on user feedback is suggested. (b) Provide a link to such a Project on PG.
I think people should add whatever they want to add. If you feel like adding technical books, please go ahead.
-- branko collin collin@xs4all.nl
From: Marcello Perathoner <marcello@perathoner.de> To: Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:11:28 +0200 Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] Technical Collection for Consideration.
Jonathan Ingram wrote:
Sadly the overly long length of modern copyright terms mean that we won't see a large influx of public domain computer programming material for a while.
Many FSF books are copylefted. One I should definitely like to see in the collection is:
Free Software Free Society
selected essays of
Richard M. Stallman
My paper copy says:
"Permission is granted to make and distribute verbatim copies of this book provided the copyright notice and this notice are preserved on all copies."
-- Marcello Perathoner webmaster@gutenberg.org
From: Jim Tinsley <jtinsley@pobox.com> CC: To: traverso@dm.unipi.it, Project Gutenberg Volunteer Discussion <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:33:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [gutvol-d] PG Forums
On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 08:40:31AM +0200, Carlo Traverso wrote:
PG had a forum-like Volunteers' Board at http://promo.net/pg/vol/wwwboard/ but it has become
inactive and was
officially discontinued on November 28, 2003
The archives are still available at the same address.
I can't recommend emulating it; at least, not _simply_ emulating it. The rules of the board were that "This
Board is for posting any question or information about how to create Project Gutenberg E-Texts." and "Off-topic subjects include anything that is NOT about creating
PG e-texts,". I moderated it ruthlessly; personal insults, opinion, advocacy, posts from clueless newbies who thought they were gurus, and indeed anything that did not fit the moderation parameters comfortably just went to the Big Bit-Bucket In The Sky without a second thought. It was a place where newcomers could browse or ask questions and make contact -- with me, if no-one else -- and try to get their heads around what PG was. Remember, PG was very opaque before that: the _only_ two-way communication was private mail.
Then the Board and gutvol-d started up, and quickly settled into a pattern: the Board was the shopfront-window for passers-by who might be interested in walking in; gutvol-d was the back-room for the regulars. And please note, by "regulars" I mean people who were actually contributing to PG, who knew what they were talking about from experience, and who had a stake in the outcome. Monday-morning Quarterbacks weren't really in evidence.
The Board had value in hooking people up with useful work, and with answering newbie questions, and it did good. Nowadays, however, people can find useful work to do all the time at DP, and all the newbie questions are answered in the FAQ, which was largely comprised of questions that had been asked on the Board. Its functions had become obsolete, and an attempt to revive it would, I think, be futile.
jim
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