the trouble with listserves is that there seems to be no collective memory. so a person -- like jon noring -- can take everyone on a merry-go-round, discussing the same old topics over and over and over and over, without ever building on the wisdom of past trips. and -- like it or not -- jon _is_ the king of vaporware, along with his publicist, david rothman of the "teleblog", where openreader (which, um, does not exist) has been mercilessly flogged to death for the past year and a half. ccel and runeberg might be early examples of "continuous proofreading", but i've laid out a better and more modern description, with demo. the software it requires is so simple to write that i can do it myself. i've also described the whole workflow around it, a workflow that does _not_ have a high cost attached that makes it dependent on the goodwill of volunteers, volunteers who have _not_ flocked to support jon's ideas. so you can settle for jon's handwaving away the problems with his approach if you want to. but why would you? -bowerbird