I hope you're right. The references are too ambiguous for me to follow, but it appears this is a discussion about the appearance of drop-caps, not the structure of the document. I'm not familiar with the "Best Practices" mentioned. It would be interesting to see if it includes references to specifically identifying chapter boundaries and headings; identifying correspondence as correspondence rather than how to make it look identical to the original. One hopes they try applying the best practices to several real projects and see whether it results in well-structured chapters and pages and paragraphs on several devices. And discuss why certain practices achieve certain results. Don
HTML markup for structure, not layout, has been a PG directive for years.
Unfortunately, valid HTML can do both.
Maybe you mean, no one of authority at DP.
Unfortunately, this directive has not yet arrived in the DP instructions, though it's been before them for years. Cf., http://www.pgdp.net/wiki/Post-Processing_with_RST:_reStructuredText
The WWers have a hard time enforcing this, because DP PPers submit valid HTML compliant with the DP guidelines. We do sometimes bounce items, though. Attached is an email of such a case, which also demonstrates there is a fix in the works for DP procedures.
-- Greg
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "PGDP Gen. Mgr." <dp-genmgr@pgdp.net> To: "Matthew D. Wheaton" <mwheaton@kc.rr.com> Cc: gbnewby@pglaf.org, "'David Edwards'" <debook2164@hotmail.com>, "'Project Gutenberg Whitewashers'" <pgww@lists.pglaf.org>, dp-genmgr@pgdp.net Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [pgww] Uploaded chinese_rhymes.zip Chinese Mother Goose Rhymes Hi Matthew, Greg, et al,
I am presuming this discussion is regarding illustrated first letters (aka drop caps)? Our Best Practices for HTML isn't quite ready for public review yet, but we do cover those. Basically we are recommending using CSS to show the drop cap imgs in the HTML and hide them from mobile formats entirely. (Matthew, I'd be happy to point you to our temporary page where it is explained in more detail--email or PM to me so we don't irritate the WWers, perhaps?)
If you folks would like to give it a field test and let us know how it works, that would be an extra bonus. If the work group has made an error somewhere we would like to know! :) -----
CSS (please be sure to read the N.B. regarding this solution, below):
@media screen, print /* so it shows in the HTML version or when printed */ { img.drop-cap { float: left; margin: 0 0.5em 0 0; }
p.drop-cap:first-letter { color: transparent; visibility: hidden; margin-left: -0.9em; } } @media handheld /* hide it from handheld media */ { img.drop-cap { display: none; }
p.drop-cap:first-letter { color: inherit; visibility: visible; margin-left: 0; } }
N.B.: The value “transparent” for the “color” property is not included in CSS 2.1; it was added in CSS 3. It works well in modern browsers, and the code also works well in most e-readers. If you use this code, however, you will have to tell the WhiteWashers to validate the CSS as CSS 3 when uploading your book.
HTML:
<div> <img class="drop-cap" src="images/drop-m.png" width="100" height="113" alt=""/> </div>
<p class="drop-cap">Marie’s prediction proved a true one, ...</p>
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I would be interested in being kept in the loop if possible. (email dp-genmgr @ pgdp.net)
Thanks!
/louise/ PGDP Gen. Mgr.
Matthew D. Wheaton wrote:
Thank you for informing me about this problem. I assume that it is a new requirement, and if it is unacceptable, there are a few other books which need revision.
-----Original Message----- From: Greg Newby [mailto:gbnewby@pglaf.org] Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:55 AM To: Matthew Wheaton; David Edwards Cc: Project Gutenberg Whitewashers; dp-post@pgdp.net Subject: Re: [pgww] Uploaded chinese_rhymes.zip Chinese Mother Goose Rhymes
Matthew,
We've found a serious problem with the formatting of this submission. It looks like your use of the "hide" characteristic results in the initial character not being displayed under some circumstances, for the rhymes.
From the CSS:
span.hide { display:none }
This cuts the first letter in epub/mobi after auto-conversion from HTML (i.e.,http://epubmaker.pglaf.org), and the HTML does't seem to display correctly in IE9 when browsed online.
As you might know, the process of updating the DP HTML procedures is ongoing. As such, some of the guidance from the PG WWers is not yet automated at DP or, sometimes, communicated during the DP workflow.
What is desired is HTML that displays on all devices. And, that converts properly to the various derivative formats.
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