-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If I might contribute, even though I've clearly been a part of the problem, for which I apologize and promise to watch my self in the future, I think banning him is the right move here. It has been claimed by Bowerbird and others that this would be censorship of his ideas. I don't believe that this is the right way to look at it. I don't know about everyone else, but I think that his ideas shouldn't be censored. However, I do feel that his attempts to start flame wars and unprovoked attacks on Anne, Juliet, and others should be censored. The problem is that the two are inseparably linked. Bowerbird refuses to present his ideas in a respectful and productive manner, so you clearly can't have one without the other. The question then becomes, which do we value more? Do we want a list without such pollution, or one where all ideas are shared, no matter what might come attached to them? If however, the persons with the final decision making capabilities are not willing to take the step of banning him, then perhaps we should form a list-wide consensus not to respond to him, and ask new comers to do the same. I realize that we've attempted this in the past, but perhaps if we formalize it by a vote, written agreement, or other means, then we might be able to make it stick more effectively. Thoughts? Sincerely Aaron cannon - -- E-mail: cannona@fireantproductions.com Skype: cannona MSN Messenger: cannona@hotmail.com (Do not send E-mail to the hotmail address.) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) - GPGrelay v0.959 Comment: Key available from all major key servers. iD8DBQFDPXY6I7J99hVZuJcRAuHfAJ4pZq0/f65p5Mf7IKud66Nxqe4AYQCgu2gf GKaKcnmCGYdoavHND56tmns= =rh+g -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----