On Sun, May 15, 2005 at 02:39:26PM -0700, Greg Newby wrote:
On Sun, May 15, 2005 at 05:18:17PM -0400, Jim Tinsley wrote:
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 06:04:17PM -0700, Melissa Er-Raqabi wrote:
Could you please take private your ongoing discussions of whose penis is bigger? I signed up for this list to read discussions of Gutenberg by its volunteers. Or was I wrong about what the name of the list implies?
There is just so much noise on this list that I'm tempted to unsubscribe AGAIN, and you know what? I'm a Gutenberg Volunteer, and this list could be a very useful one to me. But you both give me a headache. Jon, why don't you join Bowerbird's Yahoo Group, which seems not to have a lot of traffic, and you two can chat to your heart's content? Or is it having people watch that really turns you two on?
Can you please be quiet, PLEASE?
Thanks for trying, Melissa, but I'm afraid that neither Jon nor Bowerbird, in their very different ways, actually understand what we're doing here, so I'm afraid the only way to get our list back is to change the character of it, and limit membership to people who do, or impose very narrow moderation parameters.
Greg, I will reluctantly now support a move in this direction.
If we take this direction, next step is to basic form moderation guidelines and find at least two volunteer moderators (not me), who will provide rapid turnaroud time.
Alas, not me, either. I'm conscious of the moral necessity for those who advocate a result to dig in and make it happen, but I'm just too buried in useful work to take the time. Of course, constant moderation is an awfully "nice" option, but whoever does it will necessarily take time out of doing useful work; maybe we should take that into consideration--is it worth tying someone or two someones up with a daily chore just to be "nice"? Where is the justification? If I won't take time to do it, why should I pass that burden to someone else?
gutvol-d is by far the most valuable general forum PG has, so we don't want to toss the baby with the bathwater. (Ok, maybe a few *particular* babies, already named :-)
Heh. Remember, Michael predicted this, before the list was formed, back in '99. Guess the rest of us were a touch too idealistic to believe the day would come. But I think it has: why should any real volunteer want to post here anymore, with the threat of being dragged down into a mudfight? I never posted here much, but it was once a pleasant neighborhood, with valuable contributions. How say the rest of you -- should we erase the graffiti? jim