Two clarifications:
From one message:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Joshua Hutchinson wrote:
As a side question ---
Is PGCC a part of PG? Officially? Does Greg, for instance, have oversight over it. Is anyone from PG (outside of Michael) invovled in this site in any way?
Yes, Greg has spent plenty of time on PGCC, more than plenty.
The question was whether I have oversight. The answer to that question is basically, "no," but a qualified "no." It's definitely true that I've spent plenty of time on PGCC. As mentioned way back when, there were just a few criteria on my list for what the PGCC (née PG2) site needed to do in order to use the "Project Gutenberg" trademark. Both Michael and I (via PGLAF) have oversight for use of the mark. John Guagliardo (john@guagliardo.cc) is the person behind PGCC who funded & orchastrated it. The list was fairly straightforward: make sure correct small print & attribution is there; don't put our free eBooks behind for-fee sites; decouple the World eBook Library (John's for-fee site) from the PGCC. Also some fundamental usability stuff, though I kept that to a minimum since I don't want to design or maintain someone else's site. John complied with all those things. As Michael mentioned, the newsletter carried requests for proofreading & feedback for the pgcc site for something over 4 months, leading up to a grand opening on November 4. I'm not sure how grand it was, but nevertheless it's there and available. We carry periodic updates from PGCC in the weekly newsletter. During the same time the PGCC site was being rolled out and tested, I expended a fair amount of effort (with Michael & John) to help solve the issues listed above, and also work on some ideas for moving forward. As someone quoted elsewhere, the idea is for PGCC to be a "collection of collections," rather than a producer of eBooks. This is a pretty clear delineation between what we do (gutenberg.org) and what pgcc does, with no substantial overlap in activities. During that same time, Michael and I rolled out some new documents (mis-named FAQ0, FAQ1 and FAQ3) that better describe the link between the mission ("to encourage the creation and distribution of eBooks") and various activities that either spin-off or augment gutenberg.org (such as pg-eu), or that work towards the mission in fairly different ways (such as pgcc). We also ran requests for feedback etc. in the newsletter for several months, and got several good suggestions.
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 02:24:37PM -0500, Joshua Hutchinson wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hart" <hart@pglaf.org>
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Joshua Hutchinson wrote:
Another paragraph, though, indicates that PGCC is a subset of the World eBook Library Consortia, which I'm almost positive is not related directly to PG.
[quote] Project Gutenberg Consortia Center, promoting global literacy by multiplying intellectual properties though Internet library lending and increasing access to digital archives and repositories. Project Gutenberg Consortia Center is a branch of The World eBook Library Consortia. [/quote]
This is probably something that obviously needs correction, if you can send the exact location I will forward it so it can be corrected immediately. As far as I know, there should be no reference to World eBook Library. BTW, this is a different World Library than donated us the Shakespeare files from which we made book #100.
On the main pgcc.net page in the lower right corner, in the green side bar area. There is a Project Gutenberg Consortia Center logo with the above text below it.
Josh
PS Oh, and I strongly disagree with the characterisation of pgcc.net as the "new PG" site, which no matter how you MEAN it sound, it will imply that it is the "replacement" for the OLD site (gutenberg.org).
Sorry, that was quoted from someone else who used the term "new site (gutenberg.org)" in reference to the location of the Greenstone program, and I obviously should have made that quotation clearly marked.
Fair enough and thanks for the clarification.
Sorry to correct Michael on this, but in fact we specifically decided that it was fine for PGCC to have some sort of credit/reference to WEB, since WEB is the sponsor. My view is that a recognition of such sponsorship is fine, but that it's inappropriate to further entangle the sites (for example, having links on pgcc that go to other pgcc pages, and to also to WEB pages, interspersed). My view is that the pgcc site has an appropriate & minimalist set of links & info about WEB. As always, feedback (to this list, to John, etc.) is welcome. And, let me remind you that there is always opportunity for even more new efforts to support the Gutenberg mission - see http://gutenberg.net/about - there is plenty of good work left to do!!! -- Greg