I have only TODAY resubscribed after a long absence only to find all this rubbish still happening. Please, Jim, erase the graffiti! I am sure that I have missed a lot of useful information and discussion, but on balance I just couldn't stand it and it wasted a lot of my time even when I just tried to read enough to decide whether I was reading rubbish or not. Col Choat Heh. Remember, Michael predicted this, before the list was formed, back in '99. Guess the rest of us were a touch too idealistic to believe the day would come. But I think it has: why should any real volunteer want to post here anymore, with the threat of being dragged down into a mudfight? I never posted here much, but it was once a pleasant neighborhood, with valuable contributions. How say the rest of you -- should we erase the graffiti? jim