On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 09:00:15PM -0500, Bowerbird@aol.com wrote:
c'mon joey. time after time i try to have a decent conversation with you, and time after time you end up making me regret it...
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joey said:
So, your evidence that "no one" was using Opera is that some handful of blogs which you've personally polled indicated that Opera was less than 0.01% of their traffic? Exactly which sites did you include in your survey? What was the standard deviation?
dude. don't be stupid. there are organizations that track browser statistics on a world-wide basis, and they post their results for everyone to see. this ain't rocket-science. it's easy enough to google the results.
There are, and I have, and the results are the numbers I just shared with you: iPhones are at around 0.08% of ALL BROWSING EVERYWHERE - but you'd have us all believe that there is some massive influx of browsing that was never happening before simply because Apple released the iPhone. Your assertions hold no water.
Perhaps you mean that, in general, Opera is considered to only hold ~2% of the overall browser market? But that's a meaningless comparison in this context - the mobile browser market, even with your beloved iPhones out there in the wild for 2+ years, the best numbers I can find indicate that iPhone browsing is estimated a only 0.08 percent of all browsing activity worldwide. What a sea-change indeed!
at&t has come out and said that iphone browsing is bursting the seams of their network. what more evidence do we need?
do you guys live in a box?
1) Sure, if you're AT&T, and you managed to find a massive scapegoat for your systemic failure, you'd jump all over that too. 2) Even assuming that AT&T is being honest (which is not a given by any means) and that this isn't some marketing ploy Apple and AT&T cooked up - this says less to me about the quantity and quality of iPhone browsing than it does the miserable state of AT&T's pitiful wireless network coverage - an especially uncomfortable thought since I'm a daily victim of that horrid monstrosity and can personally attest that it has not gotten any worse in the 2+ years since the introduction of the iPhone. Their network was already "bursting at the seams" in many areas - adding a few million users who WEREN'T browsing the web would cause the same problems.
Or is it perhaps simply that YOUR social group (assuming anyone willing socializes with you)
i see. now we start the direct ad hominem process.
There's no winning with you - if I call out the assumption, it's an attack. If I don't call out the assumption, you'll reply that I've made an assumption. And you call this a "decent conversation"?
has finally joined the rest of the world and started using a computer more modern than your ancient Macintosh
my ancient macintosh? i'm running a nice macbook, mac os 10.5, with a 24-inch cinema screen, dude... i'm not sure who's feeding you your information, but you might want to do some fact-checking before you embarrass yourself...
Seems you've upgraded your computer significantly since the last time I responded to one of your outbursts, as you led me to believe you were developing your ZML app on the only computer you could afford, and it was several years old at the time
that you're using to build the vaporware ZML viewer/editor?
oops... too late... you already embarrassed yourself... that "vaporware" you're talking about was up years ago. nobody seemed to care. do you think i should push it?
Where's the download link for this editor/viewer? z-m-l.com has never hosted it, and software that only the creator can use is as "vaporware" as it gets.
whatever the case, you're on notice. make the conversation worthwhile, joey, or i'm gonna stop talking to you... again...
-bowerbird
A personal boon, and most assuredly one to the rest of the list as well.