re: re: Re: [gutvol-d] re: coming to michael doorstep with hat in hand
the hacker said:
I said no such thing
it's silly to argue about this. this is what you said:
For the users who refuse to learn, to adapt, and to grow, they can stagnate and stay in their own nice warm puddle.
you also said this:
if my code works in 13 browsers, and fails in MSIE, my code is not the problem. I do, however, refuse to add "hacks" to get MSIE to do what it should be doing anyway... following the standards.
those aren't the types of things michael hart would say. there's no reason to get all up in a huff. i'm not telling you that you need to change. on most days, i share your feelings. and i have said often that every e-book-related innovation will come sniffing for a chance to work with this library, and needs to prove its ability to handle it to earn its stripes. so i'm not faulting you for being here. that's why i'm here. but what you've said here is _not_ what michael would say. so the simple fact is that yours is _not_ the attitude that has guided project gutenberg from where it started to today. the mission here has been to do _whatever_it_might_take_ for those e-texts to be available to the maximum audience. among the many things that that has meant is to work with the _trailing_ edge, not the _leading_ edge, of technology. and that strategy hasn't caused it to "stagnate", but rather what has caused it to grow into the biggest cyber-library... -bowerbird
it's silly to argue about this. this is what you said:
For the users who refuse to learn, to adapt, and to grow, they can stagnate and stay in their own nice warm puddle.
You wrongly asserted that I voted to "leave the trailing edge behind". I said no such thing. Users make their own choice to learn or not to learn. The results of that choice are their own, and I have nothing to do with it. I can only do my part to educate and mentor as necessary. End of discussion on this point.
you also said this:
if my code works in 13 browsers, and fails in MSIE, my code is not the problem. I do, however, refuse to add "hacks" to get MSIE to do what it should be doing anyway... following the standards.
those aren't the types of things michael hart would say.
Well that isn't surprising. I'm not Michael Hart.
so the simple fact is that yours is _not_ the attitude that has guided project gutenberg from where it started to today.
You're comparing how I treat content delivered for an audience using primarily web browsers (i.e. webpages) with PG etexts, which are not being viewed in a web browser. My ideas and beliefs on web development are quite different from my ideas and beliefs about how to best engineer a scalable electronic book format. Please don't mix my words up like this. This is the third time you've done it, and each time, you've strategically taken my words out of context to try to suit your own bend in the discussion.
among the many things that that has meant is to work with the _trailing_ edge, not the _leading_ edge, of technology. and that strategy hasn't caused it to "stagnate", but rather what has caused it to grow into the biggest cyber-library...
My goal is to provide PG etexts (as well as those from about a dozen other places) in a format for everyone who can read, regardless of platform, reader, language, file format, and also to include those who cannot read at all. I never claimed that my interest in the PG project was in direct alignment with Michael Hart, or anyone else on this list for that matter. I fully expect that my beliefs will intersect a lot of the beliefs of others, and contracdict those of yet other members here. Such is life, and it is through this combination of agreement and disagreement, that actual action gets done. Nothing would evolve, if there weren't others who thought their own beliefs were better than the beliefs of others, and that they were committed to persuing them until completion, despite strong objection from others. There's no point in continuing this further. I'm done. David A. Desrosiers desrod@gnu-designs.com http://gnu-designs.com
David A. Desrosiers wrote:
There's no point in continuing this further. I'm done.
You know, I think everyone that has a conversation with bowerbird says this at some point. Heck, I've said it have dozen times or more ... and then he says something so aggravating that I can't help but respond. If nothing else, and I've said this before, bowerbird is a very good troll. Josh
If nothing else, and I've said this before, bowerbird is a very good troll.
Every bridge has its troll. David A. Desrosiers desrod@gnu-designs.com http://gnu-designs.com
David A. Desrosiers wrote:
If nothing else, and I've said this before, bowerbird is a very good troll.
Every bridge has its troll.
How did you get rid of the troll? I seem to recall, by having the bear come after you. Maybe we could lure another troll onto this list and have the two of them fight each other until they've both had it. -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster@gutenberg.org
I'm just going to as all parties concerned to dial it down a few notches.
Bowerbird@aol.com wrote:
those aren't the types of things michael hart would say.
That ain't no Hank Williams song!
among the many things that that has meant is to work with the _trailing_ edge, not the _leading_ edge, of technology. and that strategy hasn't caused it to "stagnate", but rather what has caused it to grow into the biggest cyber-library...
Have you got any data to sustain your theory, like, uhm, a representative poll of pg user population? Or are you bumbling along without a clue as usual, causally linking to facts that, for all *you* know, may be completely unrelated. -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster@gutenberg.org
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