jim said:

if you guys ever start listening to me.

listening? to you? oh jim, don't be naive. if you really wanted people to _listen_ to you, the first thing you'd have to do is start making sense. and stop saying things that are demonstrably false. but even then, nobody would probably listen... that's just not something that people _do_ here. but at least they might start _reading_ your posts a bit less infrequently, and stop shaking their heads when they _do_ read your posts, which is a good start. -bowerbird