the 4-1-1 on 4/11 on real page numbers
a few months back, amazon began pushing out support in its kindle e-books for "real" page numbers, namely the page numbers taken from a print version of the book.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/amazon-adds-real-page-numbers-to-kind... it ends up that humans don't like the idea of a book as a formless blob of text. who knew? well, i did, for one... -bowerbird p.s. um, and no, i won't entertain your arguments once again. if you feel you must preach the doctrine of the formless blob, go yabber at amazon. thank you. have a nice day. peace out.
it ends up that humans don't like the idea of a book as a formless blob of text. who knew? well, i did, for one...
Sorry, but apparently you didn't read the actual press release. The Kindle will only calculate the "real page number" when you specifically push the "Menu" button and ask it to be calculated, and the page numbers never affect the actual display of text which continues to be a "formless blob" so the page numbers continue to NOT be embedded in the displayed text nor interfere with the Kindle users seamless experience of reading the text without the interference of artificial page boundaries -- which is how it should be. This Kindle Sop seems like a reasonable accommodation to say college students who need to be able to reference the book they are reading to an equivalent page# and ISBN of a paper book in order to keep their old-world-technology college professors happy.
How can they "calculate" the original page numbers?
Depends on what you mean by "calculate." I would think they have to *store* the original page boundary information, and then perform a "calculation" of a reverse-page-lookup based on the current "BLOB" reading position.
Hi ALL, You can not be serious. Academic work is suppose to serious! In others words one should cite the original! Also, the cite should be as exact as possible. As an assistant I have over heard many discussions, where the topic was cite from the net! The problem with the net is that it is so dynamic; sites are moved or are deleted. There is then no way of checking the facts or argument! So, one should use sources that are checkable! On the otherside, ebooks are often not the same as the original! IMHO, one should cite a printed version, instead of an ebook version. The same applied to foreign language books. Cite the original language version and not a translation! The translator may have injected something that is not intended in the original! It is not old world technology, but good academic practice. I do admit though I would not have a problem with cites from ebooks as along as they contain enough information to find the cited text. Yes, one can always use find! regards Keith. Am 18.04.2011 um 17:15 schrieb Jim Adcock:
it ends up that humans don't like the idea of a book as a formless blob of text. who knew? well, i did, for one...
Sorry, but apparently you didn't read the actual press release. The Kindle will only calculate the "real page number" when you specifically push the "Menu" button and ask it to be calculated, and the page numbers never affect the actual display of text which continues to be a "formless blob" so the page numbers continue to NOT be embedded in the displayed text nor interfere with the Kindle users seamless experience of reading the text without the interference of artificial page boundaries -- which is how it should be.
This Kindle Sop seems like a reasonable accommodation to say college students who need to be able to reference the book they are reading to an equivalent page# and ISBN of a paper book in order to keep their old-world-technology college professors happy.
Actually, using "find" or other search programs with just a few words, even simply ones such as "not to be" would find you Hamlet's soliloquy more quickly than seaching by page number. Searching by page number only brings you within hundreds, or thousands of words, searching with "find" brings you right to the spot though it might take a few clicks to pass other hits. mh On Wed, 20 Apr 2011, Keith J. Schultz wrote:
Hi ALL,
You can not be serious. Academic work is suppose to serious! In others words one should cite the original! Also, the cite should be as exact as possible.
As an assistant I have over heard many discussions, where the topic was cite from the net! The problem with the net is that it is so dynamic; sites are moved or are deleted. There is then no way of checking the facts or argument! So, one should use sources that are checkable!
On the otherside, ebooks are often not the same as the original! IMHO, one should cite a printed version, instead of an ebook version. The same applied to foreign language books. Cite the original language version and not a translation! The translator may have injected something that is not intended in the original!
It is not old world technology, but good academic practice.
I do admit though I would not have a problem with cites from ebooks as along as they contain enough information to find the cited text. Yes, one can always use find!
regards Keith.
Am 18.04.2011 um 17:15 schrieb Jim Adcock:
it ends up that humans don't like the idea of a book as a formless blob of text. who knew? well, i did, for one...
Sorry, but apparently you didn't read the actual press release. The Kindle will only calculate the "real page number" when you specifically push the "Menu" button and ask it to be calculated, and the page numbers never affect the actual display of text which continues to be a "formless blob" so the page numbers continue to NOT be embedded in the displayed text nor interfere with the Kindle users seamless experience of reading the text without the interference of artificial page boundaries -- which is how it should be.
This Kindle Sop seems like a reasonable accommodation to say college students who need to be able to reference the book they are reading to an equivalent page# and ISBN of a paper book in order to keep their old-world-technology college professors happy.
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You can not be serious. Academic work is suppose to serious! In others words one should cite the original! Also, the cite should be as exact as possible.
It seems silly to require a cite to a physical book, when if say another student or "scholar" were to go to the campus library to find such a physical book and look up the cite then what would they find? They would find that the campus library has become a vast sucking hole with all the old physical copies of the books having been removed. If students are in fact reading say Kindles nowadays to get their information -- and they are -- then the profs should accept the cites from the material actually read, namely the Kindle version. What next, you suggest that only hardcover cites are acceptable, not paperbacks?
Hi Jim, Sorry, here in the old world Kindles are neither popular and hardly used in academic life! You do not get the point! regards Keith. Am 20.04.2011 um 21:13 schrieb James Adcock:
You can not be serious. Academic work is suppose to serious! In others words one should cite the original! Also, the cite should be as exact as possible.
It seems silly to require a cite to a physical book, when if say another student or "scholar" were to go to the campus library to find such a physical book and look up the cite then what would they find?
They would find that the campus library has become a vast sucking hole with all the old physical copies of the books having been removed.
If students are in fact reading say Kindles nowadays to get their information -- and they are -- then the profs should accept the cites from the material actually read, namely the Kindle version.
What next, you suggest that only hardcover cites are acceptable, not paperbacks?
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