oh geez. i wrote a reply on this thread, but didn't send it, because i was hoping the thread would just die on its own. but evidently not... *** michael said:
You seem to be missing the point as well.
well, there seem to be several "points" floating around. one is that _some_ phones could access the web _before_ the iphone came along. technically, that's true, if only for those technically-inclined who opted to subject themselves to the torture of tremendously inelegant, clumsy interfaces. then the iphone came along, for the rest of us, and now literally tens of millions of normal people access the web by using their iphones without dread, or even any angst, and they access the same web they get on their computers, not some hobbled "mobile" version with plain-text menus reminiscent of the 1970s.
iPhones don't account for but a few percent of all cellphones, or even all web cellphones, or even all web/wifi/cellphones.
and yet iphone users account for as much as 80% of the usage on the at&t network, enough to drive it to its knees some places. why? because steve made a web-browsing phone for the masses... which was _not_ a trivial undertaking. it's a massive achievement, one that the old guard in phones were totally incapable of doing.
As I said, I have one much older, and I never turned it on as a phone, I just used the wifi. . . .
you're not a typical user, michael. which is why i love you so... :+) *** marcello said:
The iPhone is late, technically inferior, overpriced and locked into its vendor.
it figures that marcello would say something so stupid, which is why he's in my spam folder. now if only keith stops quoting him. -bowerbird
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010, Bowerbird@aol.com wrote:
oh geez. i wrote a reply on this thread, but didn't send it, because i was hoping the thread would just die on its own.
but evidently not...
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michael said:
You seem to be missing the point as well.
well, there seem to be several "points" floating around.
one is that _some_ phones could access the web _before_ the iphone came along. technically, that's true, if only for those technically-inclined who opted to subject themselves to the torture of tremendously inelegant, clumsy interfaces.
Hey, watch there with your "tremendously inelegant, clumsy interfaces" that "torture" you to use them. . . . Yes, there are some browsers on phone that are ugly. However, if you did your homework on them, even five years ago, you could get one that worked pretty much like whatever you had on your other devices. I did. And it was a common garden variety model, though admittedly expensive to buy new, so I got a used one, of course.
then the iphone came along, for the rest of us, and now literally tens of millions of normal people access the web by using their iphones without dread, or even any angst, and they access the same web they get on their computers, not some hobbled "mobile" version with plain-text menus reminiscent of the 1970s.
I have yet to see such menus that didn't just point/click just like the others.
iPhones don't account for but a few percent of all cellphones, or even all web cellphones, or even all web/wifi/cellphones.
and yet iphone users account for as much as 80% of the usage on the at&t network, enough to drive it to its knees some places.
why?
Duh? Because Apple INSISTED you buy into THEIR network. . .!!!
because steve made a web-browsing phone for the masses... which was _not_ a trivial undertaking. it's a massive achievement, one that the old guard in phones were totally incapable of doing.
I certainly don't know ALL the functions of my phones, or of the iPhone. . .but as far as surfing the Internet and downloading/reading PG eBooks, it was all just fine, except that .zip worked best for downloading and space.
As I said, I have one much older, and I never turned it on as a phone, I just used the wifi. . . .
you're not a typical user, michael. which is why i love you so... :+)
Not like a million other people didn't buy the same phone!
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marcello said:
The iPhone is late, technically inferior, overpriced and locked into its vendor.
it figures that marcello would say something so stupid, which is why he's in my spam folder. now if only keith stops quoting him.
Actually, Mr. Bird, if you go to Europe, you might be surprised at the phones they have, and the prices, and the price to operate.
-bowerbird
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