re: [gutvol-d] re: the happy summer days -- alice is up

marcello said:
Lets mercifully overlook the fact that you have stolen my XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
"stolen"? this material is in the public domain.
you did not take the `raw' Alice from gutenberg.org as basis for your zml file
of course not. that file doesn't have styled text. you went and created a version that identified the text in italics, but didn't share it with people. now it will be shared. but surely you don't think you're the only person in the whole world who has styled that text, do you?
but you took the TXT file which was generated from a PGTEI master by the PGTEI converter ...
you don't want to admit the point, so there's little use in restating it, but the point is that, given the dirt-simple rules of z.m.l., plain-text is fully capable of expressing the structure that is necessary to transform this text into a very-high-powered e-book. since this is a relatively straightforward book, with few complications, that's to be expected. but as time goes on, i will also share examples of books that are much more complicated too.
you still have just posted two files. You have not demonstrated that the one file was algorithmically derived from the other. To do this you would have to post the source code (or at least a working executable) of your zml converter for us to see.
i won't be posting any source-code, so don't hold your breath. but if anyone has any difficulty seeing how the plain-text file can be analyzed to "algorithmically derive" its .html brother, do please feel free to ask me, and i will 'splain it to you promptly. *** now, marcello, i really gave you some calm and friendly advice when i told you that your best course of action is to be quiet... i am going to methodically show heavy markup is unnecessary to maintain the project gutenberg library of e-texts, so you can yelp like a little girl when i do it, to try your best to interrupt me, or you can sit back and learn something instead. take your pick... -bowerbird

Bowerbird@aol.com wrote:
you did not take the `raw' Alice from gutenberg.org as basis for your zml file
of course not. that file doesn't have styled text.
That pretty much shoots your claim that your process takes the plain text files from PG and converts them without no work at all. And -- moreover -- you lied. The Alice at PG *has* styled text. Isn't your tool capable of interpreting CAPITALIZED TEXT as hilighting?
you went and created a version that identified the text in italics, but didn't share it with people. now it will be shared.
You lied again: this has been shared online since April 2002: http://www.gnutenberg.de There's also the 'Looking glass' if you want to steal some more.
but surely you don't think you're the only person in the whole world who has styled that text, do you?
But I'm the only person who has placed the illustrations exactly that way.
i won't be posting any source-code, so don't hold your breath.
If you don't want to share in the first place, then why are you boring us with your stupid format at all? Why should we care? Are you just hyping yourself for the sake of yourself? Do you really need that? -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster@gutenberg.org

On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 05:23:24PM -0400, Bowerbird@aol.com wrote:
i won't be posting any source-code, so don't hold your breath.
When all is said and done, no matter how good ZML is, this statement right here will keep XML one leg up on ZML because there are more open-source XML processors than you can shake a stick at. Then again, I think you've made it pretty clear that your goal is to be *right*, rather than to be useful.
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Bowerbird@aol.com
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joey
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Marcello Perathoner