very interesting. this list has gone without spam for what, about 8 years? now it supposedly gets hit with 2 pieces within 5 days? i was suspicious after the first, but didn't say anything. i will now, though. you will remember that i said that the attack-pack here tried many times to get me "banned" from this listserve. those were the _public_ efforts. there were also several _backchannel_ efforts, because two of the favorite tools of any attack-pack are the back-stab and the blind-side. (new posters to this listserve over the years have _often_ e-mailed me to report they got several "warnings" about me backchannel from people on this list. imagine that!) but michael hart always protected me from "ban" efforts. so naturally, i always wondered what would happen when he passed away. the attack-pack would surely strike back. the lobsters had fallen silent, but we all know their _rage_ was still there, and it grew every time i turned up the heat. so now, with the water at full boil, it is extremely intense... and now michael hart has gone to his reward. so i've been waiting for "the move". with that as background, let me lay out a scenario for you. *** more spam hits the list. people ask "hey, what's up with this spam?" the people in charge of the list -- you know, the ones who ask you for your password if you wanna see the archives -- say "we'll probably have to have a moderator to pre-approve any posts from new subscribers"... and one will be chosen... the moderator will draw up a "policy" on how the decision is made as to whether a post by a new subscriber is permitted. this "policy" will have a raft of bland legal/moral boilerplate. then someone will ask "why are new subscribers subjected to a standard that doesn't also apply to the existing members?" there will be sage agreement amongst the people in charge that this is a good question which can only be answered by an application of the policy toward existing members too... because -- you know -- we want to be "fair" and everything. and thus will be born a tool to let the attack-pack "ban" me... and you, if you have the audacity to challenge their authority. because if they cannot silence their critics with sound logic, they will stoop to silencing them by use of the "ban" tactic... -bowerbird p.s. on another front, distributed proofreaders just installed a "code of conduct". i guess misconduct over there is rampant.
Looking at the headers from the most recent spam, this looks trivially easy to remedy by just implementing spamhaus PBL and/or blocking delivery from dynamic IPs. (see http://www.spamhaus.org/query/bl?ip=93.142.249.19) I suppose the real question is why has it not... Received: from device.lan (93-142-249-19.adsl.net.t-com.hr [93.142.249.19]) by pglaf.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62ABB2438; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 10:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 93.142.249.19(helo=kxcogak.mpotgsorh.org) by device.lan with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MMHNE-3026ed-9X for gutvol-d@pglaf.org; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 18:36:35 +0100 -- Alex Buie Network Coordinator / Server Engineer KWD Services, Inc Media and Hosting Solutions +1(703)445-3391 +1(480)253-9640 +1(703)919-8090 abuie@kwdservices.com On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:17 PM, <Bowerbird@aol.com> wrote:
-bowerbird
p.s. on another front, distributed proofreaders just installed a "code of conduct". i guess misconduct over there is rampant.
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On pglaf.org on September 18 and surrounding days, I did some major updates to the Mailman software, and a few settings got undone and changed. I also updated the Web server software. These updates had several unintended consequences, including the two spams you mentioned. Mystery solved. Paranoia averted. -- Greg On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 03:17:08PM -0400, Bowerbird@aol.com wrote:
very interesting.
this list has gone without spam for what, about 8 years?
now it supposedly gets hit with 2 pieces within 5 days?
i was suspicious after the first, but didn't say anything.
i will now, though.
you will remember that i said that the attack-pack here tried many times to get me "banned" from this listserve. those were the _public_ efforts. there were also several _backchannel_ efforts, because two of the favorite tools of any attack-pack are the back-stab and the blind-side.
(new posters to this listserve over the years have _often_ e-mailed me to report they got several "warnings" about me backchannel from people on this list. imagine that!)
but michael hart always protected me from "ban" efforts.
so naturally, i always wondered what would happen when he passed away. the attack-pack would surely strike back.
the lobsters had fallen silent, but we all know their _rage_ was still there, and it grew every time i turned up the heat. so now, with the water at full boil, it is extremely intense...
and now michael hart has gone to his reward.
so i've been waiting for "the move".
with that as background, let me lay out a scenario for you.
***
more spam hits the list.
people ask "hey, what's up with this spam?"
the people in charge of the list -- you know, the ones who ask you for your password if you wanna see the archives -- say "we'll probably have to have a moderator to pre-approve any posts from new subscribers"... and one will be chosen...
the moderator will draw up a "policy" on how the decision is made as to whether a post by a new subscriber is permitted. this "policy" will have a raft of bland legal/moral boilerplate.
then someone will ask "why are new subscribers subjected to a standard that doesn't also apply to the existing members?"
there will be sage agreement amongst the people in charge that this is a good question which can only be answered by an application of the policy toward existing members too... because -- you know -- we want to be "fair" and everything.
and thus will be born a tool to let the attack-pack "ban" me... and you, if you have the audacity to challenge their authority.
because if they cannot silence their critics with sound logic, they will stoop to silencing them by use of the "ban" tactic...
-bowerbird
p.s. on another front, distributed proofreaders just installed a "code of conduct". i guess misconduct over there is rampant.
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Great! Thanks for clarifying; I appreciate the work you do. :) Alex -- Alex Buie Network Coordinator / Server Engineer KWD Services, Inc Media and Hosting Solutions +1(703)445-3391 +1(480)253-9640 +1(703)919-8090 abuie@kwdservices.com On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> wrote:
On pglaf.org on September 18 and surrounding days, I did some major updates to the Mailman software, and a few settings got undone and changed. I also updated the Web server software. These updates had several unintended consequences, including the two spams you mentioned.
Mystery solved. Paranoia averted. -- Greg
On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 03:17:08PM -0400, Bowerbird@aol.com wrote:
very interesting.
this list has gone without spam for what, about 8 years?
now it supposedly gets hit with 2 pieces within 5 days?
i was suspicious after the first, but didn't say anything.
i will now, though.
you will remember that i said that the attack-pack here tried many times to get me "banned" from this listserve. those were the _public_ efforts. there were also several _backchannel_ efforts, because two of the favorite tools of any attack-pack are the back-stab and the blind-side.
(new posters to this listserve over the years have _often_ e-mailed me to report they got several "warnings" about me backchannel from people on this list. imagine that!)
but michael hart always protected me from "ban" efforts.
so naturally, i always wondered what would happen when he passed away. the attack-pack would surely strike back.
the lobsters had fallen silent, but we all know their _rage_ was still there, and it grew every time i turned up the heat. so now, with the water at full boil, it is extremely intense...
and now michael hart has gone to his reward.
so i've been waiting for "the move".
with that as background, let me lay out a scenario for you.
***
more spam hits the list.
people ask "hey, what's up with this spam?"
the people in charge of the list -- you know, the ones who ask you for your password if you wanna see the archives -- say "we'll probably have to have a moderator to pre-approve any posts from new subscribers"... and one will be chosen...
the moderator will draw up a "policy" on how the decision is made as to whether a post by a new subscriber is permitted. this "policy" will have a raft of bland legal/moral boilerplate.
then someone will ask "why are new subscribers subjected to a standard that doesn't also apply to the existing members?"
there will be sage agreement amongst the people in charge that this is a good question which can only be answered by an application of the policy toward existing members too... because -- you know -- we want to be "fair" and everything.
and thus will be born a tool to let the attack-pack "ban" me... and you, if you have the audacity to challenge their authority.
because if they cannot silence their critics with sound logic, they will stoop to silencing them by use of the "ban" tactic...
-bowerbird
p.s. on another front, distributed proofreaders just installed a "code of conduct". i guess misconduct over there is rampant.
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