I have seen solutions offered for preventing the posting of flame- inducing postings to this list, but found them mostly severely over the top. If this were not a mailing list but a village, I am sure we would have simple solutions for dealing with the village idiot. None of those would entail building a second village, or having a curfew or whatever. The simplest solution would be to temporarily moderate the troublemakers. That way you do not drive away the people that have just as much right to be here as the troublemakers, and you do not discipline the troublemakers in excess. Banning the troublemakers on the other hand would only be an option if they even cause the police too much work. As an aside, I wish people would excercise a little more constraint when stumbling across Bowerbird's ramblings. The Bird cannot help being an idiot. You can. I started filtering out the flunkeys, and currently have the following addresses in my blocklist: Shimmin, Jon Noring, JWaddell, Gutenberg9443, Joshua, CannonA, Brandon, and Doug Schroeder. These are all people who felt it necessary to engage with the Bird and make this list a worse place to be, when instead they could have shown constraint. The reason I am for policing still is because new list members of course don't know the trolls yet, and so may unwittingly engage in unnecessary flame wars. By moderating the trolls, you make it easier for the others to behave. Just my 2 cents, of course. -- branko collin collin@xs4all.nl
I guess Mr. Branko Collin will never see this since he has apparently filtered me [along with a number of other people] out of his world. Curiouser, and curioser.....I wonder what he's missed due to his chosen blindness.....[perhaps nothing important] hmmmm. By the way, I'm quite a newbie as far as contributing to Gutenburg is concerned, I wonder if my previous questions such 1) the proper way to take a physical book in my possession and get it transcibed into gutenburg 2) is there a digital camera I can get that will be able to take pictures to run through ocr properly or is a flatbed scanner the only viable method. And I'm sure I've asked other questions that seemed to fall on deaf ears, perhaps now I know why.... So my question becomes: how do I use this list for the discussion of PG if the people currently involved in PG ignore me because I was once inconsiderate enough to engage someone who was using the list (even if their usage is considered a hazard to most user's of the list)? For now I will stay on this list in the hopes that I'll be able to contribute both to it and to the project as a whole.... It may be that it's only a pipe dream and I'll have to find some other way to utilize my limited time. Sincerely, Jeff Waddell jwaddell@spunge.org <snip>
I started filtering out the flunkeys, and currently have the following addresses in my blocklist: Shimmin, Jon Noring, JWaddell, Gutenberg9443, Joshua, CannonA, Brandon, and Doug Schroeder. These are all people who felt it necessary to engage with the Bird and make this list a worse place to be, when instead they could have shown constraint.
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2) is there a digital camera I can get that will be able to take pictures to run through ocr properly or is a flatbed scanner the only viable method.
Here's one way to use a camera to prep material for OCR: http://www.geoffhorton.com/pictureocr/instructions.html
I encourage you to stick around. There is a lot of garbage on this list, but things do get done here as well. No really. They do. :) Also, as to your first question (not sure if you've been answered yet or not, nor how much information your looking for) the process is quite simple. First you clear the copyright by submitting the images of the TP&V. Then you decide whether you want to produce the book your self or not. If you don't want to do it your self, you can send it off to Distributed Proofers, and they will slice it up, scan it, and run it through the site (eventually; they've got a nice backlog going out there). If you want to do it your self, then you've got a lot of options. You can type it, scan it, or whatever else you'd care to do to get it into the computer. Then get it proofed a couple times (preferably at least once by someone other than yourself) and then submit it with the clearance line for posting. Like I said, I don't know if this is the kind of information you were looking for, but if you have any further questions, don't hesitate to ask. You might also take a look at the FAQ. http://www.gutenberg.org/faq/ Sincerely Aaron Cannon At 03:24 PM 5/18/2005, you wrote:
I guess Mr. Branko Collin will never see this since he has apparently filtered me [along with a number of other people] out of his world. Curiouser, and curioser.....I wonder what he's missed due to his chosen blindness.....[perhaps nothing important] hmmmm. By the way, I'm quite a newbie as far as contributing to Gutenburg is concerned, I wonder if my previous questions such 1) the proper way to take a physical book in my possession and get it transcibed into gutenburg 2) is there a digital camera I can get that will be able to take pictures to run through ocr properly or is a flatbed scanner the only viable method. And I'm sure I've asked other questions that seemed to fall on deaf ears, perhaps now I know why....
So my question becomes: how do I use this list for the discussion of PG if the people currently involved in PG ignore me because I was once inconsiderate enough to engage someone who was using the list (even if their usage is considered a hazard to most user's of the list)? For now I will stay on this list in the hopes that I'll be able to contribute both to it and to the project as a whole.... It may be that it's only a pipe dream and I'll have to find some other way to utilize my limited time.
Sincerely,
Jeff Waddell jwaddell@spunge.org
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I started filtering out the flunkeys, and currently have the following addresses in my blocklist: Shimmin, Jon Noring, JWaddell, Gutenberg9443, Joshua, CannonA, Brandon, and Doug Schroeder. These are all people who felt it necessary to engage with the Bird and make this list a worse place to be, when instead they could have shown constraint.
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 jwaddell@spunge.org wrote:
I guess Mr. Branko Collin will never see this since he has apparently filtered me [along with a number of other people] out of his world. Curiouser, and curioser.....I wonder what he's missed due to his chosen blindness.....[perhaps nothing important] hmmmm. By the way, I'm quite a newbie as far as contributing to Gutenburg is concerned, I wonder if my previous questions such 1) the proper way to take a physical book in my possession and get it transcibed into gutenburg 2) is there a digital camera I can get that will be able to take pictures to run through ocr properly or is a flatbed scanner the only viable method. And I'm sure I've asked other questions that seemed to fall on deaf ears, perhaps now I know why....
So my question becomes: how do I use this list for the discussion of PG if the people currently involved in PG ignore me because I was once inconsiderate enough to engage someone who was using the list (even if their usage is considered a hazard to most user's of the list)? For now I will stay on this list in the hopes that I'll be able to contribute both to it and to the project as a whole.... It may be that it's only a pipe dream and I'll have to find some other way to utilize my limited time.
Use the list as you see fit, as everyone else does. However, some see fit to try to decide how others will use the list, and that doesn't fly nearly as well as Branko's solution of simply ignoring those he doesn't want to see. Noring has his own eBook list on which I participate, but I notice that not all my contributions make it to the list with any notice that "moderation" was taking place. I think Bowerbird also has his own place, but not technically a listserv. In any case, if you want to be sure _I_ see a message, just start the subject line with !@! and keep resending until I answer; not all emails get here promptly. . .yesterday while I was on the phone with Greg Newby one of his messages from May 8 came through, and it was sent from the same machine I use for email, so go fiture. email is NOT 100%. . .sorry to say. So. . .the real answer is just do as you think best, and 99% of the time that will be ok. Michael
Sincerely,
Jeff Waddell jwaddell@spunge.org
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I started filtering out the flunkeys, and currently have the following addresses in my blocklist: Shimmin, Jon Noring, JWaddell, Gutenberg9443, Joshua, CannonA, Brandon, and Doug Schroeder. These are all people who felt it necessary to engage with the Bird and make this list a worse place to be, when instead they could have shown constraint.
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LOL! That must make the list extremely quiet. :)Still, I can't say that I blame you. Wait, I'm on that list. In that case, who am I talking to? Aaron Cannon At 08:33 AM 5/18/2005, you wrote:
I started filtering out the flunkeys, and currently have the following addresses in my blocklist: Shimmin, Jon Noring, JWaddell, Gutenberg9443, Joshua, CannonA, Brandon, and Doug Schroeder. These are all people who felt it necessary to engage with the Bird and make this list a worse place to be, when instead they could have shown constraint.
The reason I am for policing still is because new list members of course don't know the trolls yet, and so may unwittingly engage in unnecessary flame wars. By moderating the trolls, you make it easier for the others to behave.
Just my 2 cents, of course.
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