greg said:

are not the type of thing I like to see on *any* list.

then pay attention to who is driving threads off-topic, and let them know what you think about it, and why. i'm posting examples right now, and i'm going to explain those examples. if i can do that in peace, i'll be perfectly happy to do that and nothing more. i don't care if anyone replies to my posts. so if people want to get this over with quickly, then stop responding. but if i'm attacked, i will defend myself. it's that simple. -bowerbird