now keith wants me to jump in his tar-pit
keith, you seem to be having "theoretical" discussions on 3 or 4 vague phantom topics, while i'm talking about stuff which either actually _exists_ or has been solidly proposed. and there's no sense continuing when we're so badly out of sync. so let us summarize and finish. 1. i have systems, online and off, which are simple and work nicely. 2. keith is too busy to code stuff, but seems to have many opinions. 3. jim likes using bloatware, but is too cheap to buy commercial-grade. 4. lee wants someone else to do all his .html markup for him first. 5. don knows databases, but hasn't generalized from his d.p. experience the conclusion that any system which requires administrators will become corrupt because of the power-seekers. 6. tar-pits are sticky places. 7. sometimes listserves can be too. 8. i forget what 8 was 4. 9. number 9, number 9... 10. you need 10 items for a top-10. 11. is my favorite number. -bowerbird
3. jim likes using bloatware, but is too cheap to buy commercial-grade.
Once again BB substitutes cheap and vacuous insults for thoughtful and useful analysis. It's not that I "like" OO - its that it comes closest in what I have found for what PG volunteers can use to do WYSIWYG html editing - if they do not want to get too much into txt-mode html source code editing. Personally I just write html using a variety of regex text editors - but I would be happy to find something that is more convenient that simple regex - which works well-enough for what I need to do. Re Bloatware: At today's drive prices it costs literally 5 cents worth of disc storage to put OO on your system - so I don't see where BB's insults make any logical sense in that regard: The disc storage requirements of almost any tool today simply does not matter in practice nowadays. Re: "Too cheap to buy commercial-grade" - Once again BB speaks of that which he knows not. Once again BB substitutes cheap insults for any useful and thoughtful analysis. The reality is I have several thousands of dollars of commercial grade software on my machine, and also have about a $1000 of various e-books devices to test my work on, and I am happy to spend the bucks WHEN commercial software offers compelling quality and value. All too often however, I find that amateur hucksters are pretending to be "professionals" and want you to shell out good money for crappy alpha quality software which they claim will save the world but which in reality can't actually fight its way out of a wet paper bag - and once you buy their alphaware then they think you owe it to them to do their software debugging for them when their software keeps crashing and they don't even know how to debug it themselves. I have no problem with people who want to make their living off of software, and who start by offering their product as freeware or shareware and then develop it over time into something truly worth offering on a "commercial" basis. But, it is certainly true that I am too Scottish on my father's side to throw away good money on carnival hucksters!
Am 15.11.2011 um 17:55 schrieb Bowerbird@aol.com:
keith, you seem to be having "theoretical" discussions on 3 or 4 vague phantom topics, while i'm talking about stuff which either actually _exists_ or has been solidly proposed.
and there's no sense continuing when we're so badly out of sync.
so let us summarize and finish.
1. i have systems, online and off, which are simple and work nicely. Yet, they are not in a environment of "hundreds of users" and "thousands of books". I would like to see your system working with that many users and books. Until then your assertions are just as hypothetical and phantom. Sorry, facts are facts.
2. keith is too busy to code stuff, but seems to have many opinions. True enough. But, what is bad about being opinionated. I have work with many that, like you, say that what I suggest is _to complex_ or _overkill_. Though when I did offer projects that the finally started using their reaction is "Why were we doing this before". Or two years down the line the must concede defeat that I was right.
3. jim likes using bloatware, but is too cheap to buy commercial-grade. Cheap shot on your part. No value, in this point of yours!
4. lee wants someone else to do all his .html markup for him first. I can not see any truth in this statement. It takes just 4 lines of html code at the beginning of a plain vanilla text and one at the end, to change it into an html! The rest can be done in the his editor!
5. don knows databases, but hasn't generalized from his d.p. experience the conclusion that any system which requires administrators will become corrupt because of the power-seekers. Just because d.p. implementation is far from optimal does not mean don is copying them or taking their lead. You should not take a bad design and use that as your model.
If don observes my "hypothetical" design principles and has his database complex enough he should be on the safe side. I know how important complexity in database is. I had a project and the "client" wanted a new feature he had it ten minutes later. Then said if we cam do this how about doing this. thirty minutes later everything was online. He ask me how I did it so fast, because the features seemed to complicated to him. I explained it is all in the structure of the database. Since the complexity of the database it was easy to implement the features and that I know how to design a database properly. You may not have realized this, but hypotheticals are not from just my opinion, but from over thirty years of working with comptuters and programing things designed for people to work without them knowing anything about the complexity of the system. Not comment about the rest of your blah, blah top ten. Top five is far more better. regards Keith.
6. tar-pits are sticky places.
7. sometimes listserves can be too.
8. i forget what 8 was 4.
9. number 9, number 9...
10. you need 10 items for a top-10.
11. is my favorite number.
Saw this one recently and felt just somehow it relates: http://xkcd.com/386/
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