Michael Dyck wrote:
Subject: [gutvol-d] DP anniversary? From: Michael Dyck <jmdyck@ibiblio.org> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:43:26 -0800 To: gutvol-d <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org>
To: gutvol-d <gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org>
In today's PG Weekly newsletter, and in a posting to the Book People mailing list, Michael Hart says: "This is the 4th Anniversary of The Distributed Proofreaders!!!"
However, if you go to the DP site <http://www.pgdp.net/c/>, you'll see that it says that DP was founded in 2000. Moreover, Charles Franks posted to the gutvol-d list on April 20, 2000, saying (in part) "I have completed the working beta of a distributed proofreaders website." and giving a link. I'm not sure if that was the first public announcement of DP, but in any case, DP is about 5 years old.
Michael Hart appears to be referring to the 4th anniversary of March 13th, 2001, which is when the PG Weekly newsletter says DP completed its first book (PG #3320). However, that book ("Mohammed Ali and His House" by Louise Muhlbach) was actually posted April 2nd, 2001, so it's unclear where the March 13 date comes from.
Moreover, a month or so *before* then, the PG newsletter for February 2001[a] says "The Online Distributed Proofreading Team has completed 8 books since mid October 2000!". This suggests that DP completed its first book in mid-Oct 2000, which then might have appeared in the list at the bottom of the mid-October "PG needs you" email[b], but I don't see any DP books there.
Checking the "Completed Gold E-texts" page, in ascending order by submission date (http://www.pgdp.net/c/list_etexts.php?x=g&sort=4), it shows: 1) "Mohammed Ali and His House", L. Muhlbach () Uploaded: Tuesday, March 13th, 2001 The link for that etext is to #3320. The above was relied upon in arriving at the March 13th date. Which has run in the newsletter since June 16, 2004, with no notice of correction.
Instead, I believe the first DP book to be posted by PG was #3059 (Homer's "The Iliad", trans. Andrew Lang) which was posted by December 6, 2000[c].
Are in you for a surprise: DP didn't do that one. From the etext: "This etext was prepared by Sandra Stewart <unfettered@aol.com> and Jim Tinsley <jtinsley@pobox.com>" #3320 has a credit to C.F. and D.P.
[a] http://www.gutenberg.org/newsletter/archive/PGMonthly_2001_02_07.txt [b] http://www.gutenberg.org/newsletter/archive/Other_2000_10_18_Project_Gutenbe... [c] http://www.gutenberg.org/newsletter/archive/PGMonthly_2000_12_06.txt
-Michael Dyck
Hopefully, someone from D.P. will step up and provide more meaningful activity updates for inclusion in the newsletter. People outside of DP would be interested in seeing what's going on over there, and why not include such in the weekly PG newsletter? And, boy, I'd like to be a fly on the wall in Jim's office when he reads this! <vbg> [<G>eorge] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.5 - Release Date: 3/1/2005
It may not be relevant, but to see a bit of history, the old PG volunteer web board is still in place: http://promo.net/pg/vol/wwwboard/index.html Here are two particular messages that mention DP: http://promo.net/pg/vol/wwwboard/messages/1063.html http://promo.net/pg/vol/wwwboard/messages/1557.html Andrew On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, George Davis wrote:
Checking the "Completed Gold E-texts" page, in ascending order by submission date (http://www.pgdp.net/c/list_etexts.php?x=g&sort=4), it shows:
1) "Mohammed Ali and His House", L. Muhlbach () Uploaded: Tuesday, March 13th, 2001
The link for that etext is to #3320.
The above was relied upon in arriving at the March 13th date. Which has run in the newsletter since June 16, 2004, with no notice of correction.
Instead, I believe the first DP book to be posted by PG was #3059 (Homer's "The Iliad", trans. Andrew Lang) which was posted by December 6, 2000[c].
Are in you for a surprise: DP didn't do that one. From the etext:
"This etext was prepared by Sandra Stewart <unfettered@aol.com> and Jim Tinsley <jtinsley@pobox.com>"
#3320 has a credit to C.F. and D.P.
[a] http://www.gutenberg.org/newsletter/archive/PGMonthly_2001_02_07.txt [b] http://www.gutenberg.org/newsletter/archive/Other_2000_10_18_Project_Gutenbe... [c] http://www.gutenberg.org/newsletter/archive/PGMonthly_2000_12_06.txt
-Michael Dyck
Hopefully, someone from D.P. will step up and provide more meaningful activity updates for inclusion in the newsletter. People outside of DP would be interested in seeing what's going on over there, and why not include such in the weekly PG newsletter?
George Davis wrote:
Checking the "Completed Gold E-texts" page, in ascending order by submission date (http://www.pgdp.net/c/list_etexts.php?x=g&sort=4), it shows:
1) "Mohammed Ali and His House", L. Muhlbach () Uploaded: Tuesday, March 13th, 2001
Ah, so it does. Mind you, it also says that books 2 through 160 were uploaded on January 1st, 2002, which is pretty implausible. The bottom line is, don't trust the dates on that page. (A little thing affects them. A slight disorder of the projects table makes them cheats.)
The above was relied upon in arriving at the March 13th date. Which has run in the newsletter since June 16, 2004, with no notice of correction.
Until now.
Instead, I believe the first DP book to be posted by PG was #3059 (Homer's "The Iliad", trans. Andrew Lang) which was posted by December 6, 2000[c].
Are in you for a surprise: DP didn't do that one. From the etext:
"This etext was prepared by Sandra Stewart <unfettered@aol.com> and Jim Tinsley <jtinsley@pobox.com>"
Sorry, no surprise -- I read that attribution before I posted my earlier message. The lack of mention of DP didn't convince me that the text hadn't gone through DP. We'll see what Jim says.
Hopefully, someone from D.P. will step up and provide more meaningful activity updates for inclusion in the newsletter.
Perhaps someone will. I'm not sure I share your hope though.
People outside of DP would be interested in seeing what's going on over there, and why not include such in the weekly PG newsletter?
If people want to know what's going on, they're welcome to visit the DP website <http://www.pgdp.net> and see for themselves. (They may need to register -- it depends what they want to see.) -Michael Dyck
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 02:11:35AM -0800, Michael Dyck wrote:
George Davis wrote:
Checking the "Completed Gold E-texts" page, in ascending order by submission date (http://www.pgdp.net/c/list_etexts.php?x=g&sort=4), it shows:
1) "Mohammed Ali and His House", L. Muhlbach () Uploaded: Tuesday, March 13th, 2001
Ah, so it does. Mind you, it also says that books 2 through 160 were uploaded on January 1st, 2002, which is pretty implausible. The bottom line is, don't trust the dates on that page. (A little thing affects them. A slight disorder of the projects table makes them cheats.)
The above was relied upon in arriving at the March 13th date. Which has run in the newsletter since June 16, 2004, with no notice of correction.
Until now.
Instead, I believe the first DP book to be posted by PG was #3059 (Homer's "The Iliad", trans. Andrew Lang) which was posted by December 6, 2000[c].
Are in you for a surprise: DP didn't do that one. From the etext:
"This etext was prepared by Sandra Stewart <unfettered@aol.com> and Jim Tinsley <jtinsley@pobox.com>"
Sorry, no surprise -- I read that attribution before I posted my earlier message. The lack of mention of DP didn't convince me that the text hadn't gone through DP. We'll see what Jim says.
Jim has already said more than plenty on the DP Forums when the question came up there. I ransacked my old e-mails, and you can see the whole thread at http://www.pgdp.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5726 The Lang Iliad was an unusual case. Sandra and I had the same translation, but in different printings -- I had very small pages, a kind of pocket book; she had normal sized ones. She was typing from the _end_ of the book backwards by chapter; I was scanning and OCRing from the start forward. We were going to meet in the middle. Charlz' site came up, and, IIRC, I fed it the middle bit that neither of us had covered yet. It was the first text submitted, and there was no concept at the time of a credit for the site itself or the page-proofers thereat. Which, I suspect, bothered me, because I added one in the Pope Odyssey, which was next on my list. I can't find an e-mail from those days discussing credit lines for the site, but the first three posted books were: Lang Iliad: No mention of DP Pope Odyssey: This etext was prepared by Jim Tinsley <jtinsley@pobox.com> with much help from the proofers at http://charlz.dynip.com/gutenberg Irish Race: This etext was produced by Charles Franks and the Distributed Proofreaders Team. and Charlz' formula is the one, more or less, that has been used since.
Hopefully, someone from D.P. will step up and provide more meaningful activity updates for inclusion in the newsletter.
Perhaps someone will. I'm not sure I share your hope though.
People outside of DP would be interested in seeing what's going on over there, and why not include such in the weekly PG newsletter?
If people want to know what's going on, they're welcome to visit the DP website <http://www.pgdp.net> and see for themselves. (They may need to register -- it depends what they want to see.)
-Michael Dyck
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I'll be glad to put revised dates in the Newsletter if/when and "official" date is picked, along with any other items that should be included. Thanks! Michael On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Jim Tinsley wrote:
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 02:11:35AM -0800, Michael Dyck wrote:
George Davis wrote:
Checking the "Completed Gold E-texts" page, in ascending order by submission date (http://www.pgdp.net/c/list_etexts.php?x=g&sort=4), it shows:
1) "Mohammed Ali and His House", L. Muhlbach () Uploaded: Tuesday, March 13th, 2001
Ah, so it does. Mind you, it also says that books 2 through 160 were uploaded on January 1st, 2002, which is pretty implausible. The bottom line is, don't trust the dates on that page. (A little thing affects them. A slight disorder of the projects table makes them cheats.)
The above was relied upon in arriving at the March 13th date. Which has run in the newsletter since June 16, 2004, with no notice of correction.
Until now.
Instead, I believe the first DP book to be posted by PG was #3059 (Homer's "The Iliad", trans. Andrew Lang) which was posted by December 6, 2000[c].
Are in you for a surprise: DP didn't do that one. From the etext:
"This etext was prepared by Sandra Stewart <unfettered@aol.com> and Jim Tinsley <jtinsley@pobox.com>"
Sorry, no surprise -- I read that attribution before I posted my earlier message. The lack of mention of DP didn't convince me that the text hadn't gone through DP. We'll see what Jim says.
Jim has already said more than plenty on the DP Forums when the question came up there. I ransacked my old e-mails, and you can see the whole thread at
http://www.pgdp.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5726
The Lang Iliad was an unusual case. Sandra and I had the same translation, but in different printings -- I had very small pages, a kind of pocket book; she had normal sized ones. She was typing from the _end_ of the book backwards by chapter; I was scanning and OCRing from the start forward. We were going to meet in the middle. Charlz' site came up, and, IIRC, I fed it the middle bit that neither of us had covered yet.
It was the first text submitted, and there was no concept at the time of a credit for the site itself or the page-proofers thereat. Which, I suspect, bothered me, because I added one in the Pope Odyssey, which was next on my list.
I can't find an e-mail from those days discussing credit lines for the site, but the first three posted books were:
Lang Iliad: No mention of DP
Pope Odyssey: This etext was prepared by Jim Tinsley <jtinsley@pobox.com> with much help from the proofers at http://charlz.dynip.com/gutenberg
Irish Race: This etext was produced by Charles Franks and the Distributed Proofreaders Team.
and Charlz' formula is the one, more or less, that has been used since.
Hopefully, someone from D.P. will step up and provide more meaningful activity updates for inclusion in the newsletter.
Perhaps someone will. I'm not sure I share your hope though.
People outside of DP would be interested in seeing what's going on over there, and why not include such in the weekly PG newsletter?
If people want to know what's going on, they're welcome to visit the DP website <http://www.pgdp.net> and see for themselves. (They may need to register -- it depends what they want to see.)
-Michael Dyck
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Jim Tinsley wrote:
Jim has already said more than plenty on the DP Forums when the question came up there. I ransacked my old e-mails, and you can see the whole thread at
Thanks for that link -- lots of good information there. I must have missed it when it happened originally (probably because I was deep into copyright renewals at the time). -Michael
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