press releases and puke on a reporter's shoes
marcello said:
1. 14 Feb 2003: You announce you will code an open source ebook reader.
yes. that was a big joke. :+) i was pulling jon noring's leg. read posts on that listserve. everyone knew i am anti-xml. everyone knew i am anti-oeb. anyone who's stupid enough to think _i_ would be _serious_ in announcing an effort to write an oeb viewer is _really_ stupid. nonetheless, i _would_ have gone ahead with the project if anyone would have responded. as long as _some_ programmers were willing to puzzle through the difficulty of figuring out o.e.b., i'd happily advise them on the u.i. but no one showed up, so it died. that's not unusual. there are many open-source projects on sourceforge that have died with one contributor. heck, there are more than a couple _directly_ for project gutenberg -- creating viewer-programs -- that have died early on the vine... my guess is that jon noring still has less than 3 programmers involved -- jon, care to comment on that? -- in his open-source openreader thing, and david rothman has been flogging openreader _incessantly_ on his blog, even relaying a specific request for mac programmers to join in and help. nonetheless, i would _still_ go ahead with _my_ open-source o.e.b. project, if any programmers were to turn up. do you know any? let's go to work! the more viewers we have, the better. on second thought, have 'em join jon's effort. the fewer open-source projects that _fail_, the better off we will be, in the long run... see, i've prodded jon noring for _years_ to get a viewer-program for his beloved o.e.b. it's _silly_ to propose a "standard format" and then not have any tools that support it! (you need a viewer _and_ an authoring-tool!) i don't know if this joke was the thing that actually got jon to get to work on the task, but if it was, then i am sure glad i did it. (he's a hard worker. if he directed his energy in a productive way, he might do a good job.) actually, it was probably the full-on review i wrote in response to jon's o.e.b. puff piece on ebookweb.com that was the real motivation, if there was anything specific that _i_ did. but whatever got him to pay some attention to the point i'd been making for many years, it was "a good thing", as jon would put it.
2. 19 Oct 2004: You have nothing to show.
_that_ project has "nothing to show". my own viewer-program, which has _never_ been open-source, and probably never will be, not until the open-source community can match it, is ready for beta-testing. have i given the address that people can use to join that beta-test listserve? yes, i do believe i have.
3. You retroactively declare the announcement to be a joke.
it was a joke from the time the post was a gleam in my eye. :+) anyone who knows me knows that i do not do press releases. the mere _thought_ is funny. i puke on the shoes of the press.
4. You think that did save your face.
Think again.
i'm thinking all the time, marcello, all the time...
So you admit you were lying to the press
how outrageous! it's _their_ job to lie to _me_! :+) what was i thinking? oh yeah, i know. that "press release" never got any farther than the listserve where i "released" it, which -- if i remember correctly -- was populated by about two posters at the time, jon noring and me. hence, the joke... -bowerbird
Bowerbird wrote:
marcello said:
1. 14 Feb 2003: You announce you will code an open source ebook reader.
yes. that was a big joke. :+) i was pulling jon noring's leg.
Hark, I hear my name!
my guess is that jon noring still has less than 3 programmers involved -- jon, care to comment on that? --
Yes. Plan A for the OpenReader 1.0 code base (there is a Plan B) is 75% complete (and in good shape.) Because of a request not to discuss it in any more detail, I can't say any more on this except that the people working on it are really sharp and active in the XML and CSS worlds (the founder actively serves on the W3C CSS working group), with a *proven* track record in creating a real-pudding, honest-to-god, and excellent XML+CSS-based product. They know their document rendering stuff as well as anyone. We are seeking support to finish the last 25% of the job, since they are a commercial outfit with professional programmers and an investment in the code base they do have, so that is holding things up, but the needed support is small, and the final codebase will be donated and released under an open source license under the control of the Consortium (discussed below). It's a much better approach than kludging something together from scratch since the codebase we are starting from is of very high commercial quality, fast, compact, and supports many of the advanced features we need such as SVG and advanced font-handling (not to mention probably the best CSS parser in the world, and of course fairly complex XML document handling capabilities suitable for OEBPS.) It is also fully cross-platform (it is primarily developed for Linux but already portable to Windows, thus it will easily port to Windows and Mac OS X, both desktop and mobile flavors. Support for legacy Mac and Palm is detailed at our web site (for the Plucker developers reading this, I'd like to chat with you!) However, there is more than just issuing the open source code base. We also need to intelligently hammer out the OpenReader encapsulation format spec (which is intended for more than just ebooks, such as encapsulating web sites to compete with Microsoft's proprietary MHT format), and most importantly the OpenReader conformance requirements, so anyone else building their own OpenReader browser will not deviate too far from the vision (we will encourage competitive OpenReader browsers -- Mozilla, Opera and Safari folk are all capable of building their own OpenReader versions, although it won't be trivial for them since they will need to add SVG support and higher typographic rendering capability including "paged" display which at present they don't do for web browsers.) We will balance out the need for following strict conformance rules in order to use the name 'OpenReader' with a desire not to stifle innovation. I believe we will reach a proper balance. In addition, it is important to establish a Consortium, which is simply an organized group of various key players in the ebook and digital publication worlds who want OR to succeed (and are dedicated to both open source and open standards in the digital publication industry) since they will take advantage of it in some way which will benefit them (either profit-wise for profit companies, and for non-profits it will further their goals.) The Consortium (comprising the members, and not any one individual such as yours truly) will hold the IP to the OpenReader trademark so as to enforce conformance requirements, and to maintain and improve the specifications via established Technical Working Groups, either working under OpenReader or maybe under some other umbrella organization (I've been offered the DAISY-NISO umbrella, for example.) So a lot of effort is going on behind-the-scenes to build the needed relationships and interest in the Consortium, and we've had a great increase in interest in the last couple weeks, with some fairly *big* names in the ebook universe deciding to throw their name behind the OpenReader vision. I don't believe we are at "critical mass" yet, but we are definitely getting a lot closer. Will the little train make it over the hill? -- we'll see. Of course, anyone reading this, whether representing a company or organization, or simply an interested individual, who wishes to publicly state their support/endorsement for OpenReader (with no other obligation asked for), please contact me in private. We are preparing a supporters/endorsers web page showing the logos of companies/ organizations with links, and the names/affiliations of individuals.
in his open-source openreader thing, and david rothman has been flogging openreader _incessantly_ on his blog, even relaying a specific request for mac programmers to join in and help.
Yes, we want OpenReader to be a community developed and maintained effort. Community is the key to success in this instance, in my opinion, since the ebook and digital publication realms are essentially commercially and organizationally oriented (authors, publishers, retailers, accessibility activists, librarians/archivists, etc. -- but we will not forget to give ebook buyers and readers a say in the process, unlike past standardization efforts in the ebook realm which ignored them.) For example, refer to the Digital Radio Mondiale effort ( http://www.drm.org/ -- yes, they use 'DRM' as their acronym!) for an archetype of a fairly successful community effort to establish an international, open standard for shortwave (and BCB/AM) digital radio. Notice how they formed their "Consortium" -- getting buy-in from a large number of companies/organizations who are working together for mutual interest. Jon Noring http://www.openreader.org/
Bowerbird@aol.com wrote:
anyone who's stupid enough to think _i_ would be _serious_ in announcing an effort to write an oeb viewer is _really_ stupid.
Hey! Why be narrow-minded about this? I think everybody who thinks that you'll ever be _serious_ is really stupid. -- Marcello Perathoner webmaster@gutenberg.org
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