james said:

More mud is slung on this list than on ANY other list that I'm subscribed to, but I have to admit, I'm only subscribed to about 200 active lists, so I may be missing the mud-slinging ones.

yeah, it's tough to keep up. :+) and those are just the listserves. don't forget the forums... like the one over at distributed proofreaders... why just the other day (maybe yesterday?), two minutes after you posted a message where you mentioned pgxml.org, someone -- who must not know that kodekrash is you -- said, "last i heard, pgxml was being run by james linden, the king of vaporware..." i guess he didn't know that's supposed to be _my_ title... :+) anyway, like i said, it's tough to keep up... ;+) -bowerbird