that "strategy" was worn out years ago here..

But you're STILL a troll ;-) And a censor, too. Your reverted to the old subject line without the T Word, and I don't mean "TeleRead." Doesn't this suggest that lists should be run with a little bit of order in mind? Well, blog areas, too, including the TeleBlog. Here's the deal. You gratuitously attacked OpenReader out of the blue. After my present message, we'll both have had our say; and now I think the PG list should get back to being the PG list. Meanwhile thanks for documenting that your source code is not open, and that you're really after 200K rather than 50K, if you're serious about selling the code.

as for my app itself, i've always said it's available for free.

but not disclosure of the source code? this is bizarre. evil corporate two-guy osoft will offer downloads of dotreader for free and publicly reveal the source code of the basic reader. and yet the e.e. cummings of the performance poetry circuit wants 200K for his code. i am worried. surely we are all doomed to the maw of mammon if even poets are demanding 200k. of course, the real reason could be that you're ashamed of the source code--hence, the 200K price, if financial gain isn't the object. sure you don't want to share your app's code?

they should just go off and write it themselves, so i don't think you could call me a very good businessman.

Oh, well, so much for your added value.

p.s. evidently, book expo ain't keeping you very busy. kinda slow around the openreader booth, is it? :+)

ROFL. Um, the show ended yesterday. I drove Jon Noring out to see Mt. Vernon (almost all work up until now), and, after a TeleBlog post, I'm gonna return to follow-up. Wait. Might do a few of the just-received notes first. Not sure.

considering the costs involve application of heavy markup... i'm not sure how you will ever be able to convince anyone that your cost-benefit ratio will be the best one available.

Hey, we care very much about creation tools and the like to simplify things. Your own format isn't up to the range of content that OpenReader can handle, thereby reducing the chances of collecting your $200K, if that's what you want. Good luck at it, however. And now I suggest that you do the Netiquette routine and avoid a reply, now that we've both had our say. Remember, you were the one who broached these issues. Again, best of luck. Despite more than a little provocation, my big interest is in advancing OpenReader rather than harming ZML. Thanks, David David Rothman | davidrothman@openreader.org | 703-370-6540 http://www.openreader.org http://www.teleread.org/blog ------------Original Message------------ From: Bowerbird@aol.com To: gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org, Bowerbird@aol.com Date: Mon, May-22-2006 12:11 PM Subject: re: [gutvol-d] Kevin Kelly in NYT on future of digital libraries geez, david, you'll have to do _something_ more original than calling me a "troll" here; that "strategy" was worn out years ago here... as for your fantasy that i "object" to openreader because i have "competitive business interests", what exactly would those "business interests" be? my source code is available for $200,000, (not $50k), but i will tell anyone who wants to buy it not to bother, that they should just go off and write it themselves, so i don't think you could call me a very good businessman. as for my app itself, i've always said it's available for free. again, not a good businessman. what can i say? i'm a poet. a good businessman would get a booth at book expo, and hawk the product there. just like you're doing now. for the record, i wish the osoft people all the best. you were very lucky they came along when they did, and i'll be glad when they finally turn your precious "openreader" format into something besides vapor. at that point, we will be able to measure its benefits and its costs, to decide how worthwhile its cost-benefit will be. considering the costs involve application of heavy markup, and similar benefits can be delivered with lighter markup, i'm not sure how you will ever be able to convince anyone that your cost-benefit ratio will be the best one available. but hey, microsoft has been able to do that for _years_, so don't give up... -bowerbird p.s. evidently, book expo ain't keeping you very busy. kinda slow around the openreader booth, is it? :+) _______________________________________________ gutvol-d mailing list gutvol-d@lists.pglaf.org http://lists.pglaf.org/listinfo.cgi/gutvol-d