
Folks, Thanks so much for a response to my queries. For some unknown reason the original message and any possible replies never made it to my email. I apologize for the tone of my previous message, however, I have been getting rather frustrated. This surely explains why it seems I never received any assistance since, on my end, it seemed I asked and never got any response. I hate to "stamp my feet", but was sitting here looking at a stack of books on my desk, trying to decide which one I want to work on, and wondering why (if everyone is so hot to have ebooks) no one will give any info on getting started on one. I apologize for the following reply not being directed at anyone in particular, but so many of the comments come from everyone, I'm just going to dive in. Your replies are much appreciated, especially if you have bothered to type them twice! Now for just a few replies of my own...
There is no PG membership. We just have a bunch of volunteers who contribute what they want.
Yes, I know it is not a "membership" per se. I merely mean "joining" you as in getting together and DOING this, not as in to become a member of an organization.
http://www.gutenberg.org/faq/ It goes into much detail about many aspects of volunteering for PG, among other things. It could be a little overwhelming because of the amount of information it contains, but such is the trade-off.
Okay, I suppose my mistake was in not exhaustively reading the entire FAQ line for line. I read the answers to what questions I thought would direct me to info on getting approval for copyright, and about format. (Although I have to admit it had me a little confused.) I did spend some time on it, though, so please don't chastise me for being too impulsive or scatterbrained to know to go to the FAQ first. I'm not quite as dumb as I look! (Well, maybe almost...)
If you are looking at preparing a text yourself, any word processor or text editor that can output standard plain text ought to be suitable. I could tell you what I use, and others on this list could do the same, but they would likely all be different.
I guess my questions should have been: What format is the output BEST delivered in? and What programs do all of YOU use? (To compare them or see if I already have the software on my system.) Although I am a big fan of our language, I sometimes feel like I am speaking a foreign one!
Are you using the interface found at: http://copy.pglaf.org/ Or are you emailing the images directly to someone?
Two parts of this little goof seem to have come to light... The first is that the link on the OLD Project Gutenberg page did NOT take me to a page where I could submit via a form. It pulled up an email to someone who (when I emailed the scans) had an auto-reply which seemed to say that they were not the person to send it to, etc. The second is that this may have been the correct person, but if they were on vacation and had that auto-reply, then I misread it. (I'm perfectly willing to take the hit on that... It happens.)
Doing a whole book yourself as a first project is very much an uphill struggle. In the "old days" it was not uncommon for well-intentioned people to come to PG and then give up part-way through their first attempt. These days, it is usual to direct people to Distributed Proofing first, as that is a good place a to learn the basics of what we do, and can give you a start that can make your first book much easier.
Okay, well, I intend to do just that, dive in with a book. Maybe it is overwhelming to some, but I have no trouble with typing. Besides which, I don't know how to make my scanner's text-recognition software run, so... I assume that (save typos) there will be less proofing required of a work which is typed as opposed to one which is scanned, anyway.
It also might help to realize that Project Gutenberg is a rather decentralized volunteer organization. Those of us involved all have "real-life" jobs and concerns to worry about, and still spend many hours doing our best to make PG work, though it sometimes is frustrating to do so. If you do feel that you are being ignored, please believe that it is not intentional.
Yes, I know full well that people have "real lives". I have one myself and really don't need more things to take up my time. I have 2 children who are teens in need of special education in a school system that does not take their needs seriously and in which high school students don't receive special education services. The elder one has a brain injury which makes her forgetful and frequently angry, so it is not easy going. I also work for myself selling collectibles over the internet, have an 80 year old mother living with us who requires my care, and have 2 houses to maintain (as my husband does not know the right end of a hammer). So, do I NEED to do this, well, not as a way to fill up "idle time", but I do need things (like typing) that I can do without hassle as "therapy"!
So, to sum it all up: Recomendation: Go spend a week or so proofing pages at distributed proofers.
I will look over what is there, but I doubt that I'll spend that much time at it. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
And do take it one step at a time (ie, asking about copyright clearances, and how the mailing list works, and file formats all at once might not be a good choice.)
I'd rather not constantly pester the list with elementary questions such as these. The logical progression is to get the clearance, find the correct format before I start typing, and begin working. I don't see any merit in "baby stepping" through about 25 digests filling up everyone's mailbox. I'm certain that you all have more entertaining things to do than hold my hand for a few weeks while I get started. Besides which I am ALSO certain that, once I get started, other questions will demand answers here, anyway. (So, trust me, I'll be baaack!) As for asking how the mailing list works, I asked no such questions. I merely stated that for some reason (which has since come to light, the probability that AOL or the aether ATE the message in which my original query appeared) my message (and your replies) never came through on my end. (Yes, I know, that was HORRID English! Excuse me!) Anyway, this has turned into a cursedly LONG message and I apologize profusely. It is kind of you all to take your time to straighten me out. I hope that I do not have too many more elementary and annoying things to ask of you. Again...THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! We now return you to the ongoing drama of the "Bowerbird Saga"... Have at! Lay on! Cathy Waters

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I guess my questions should have been: What format is the output BEST delivered in? and What programs do all of YOU use? (To compare them or see if I already have the software on my system.) Although I am a big fan of our language, I sometimes feel like I am speaking a foreign one!
In order to make an effective comparison, we'll need to know what operating system you are using. If you are using windows, you could easily just use the simple wordpad or perhaps even notepad. They both output the plaintext format, and so should work fine. The only situation in which this might be a problem is if you have foreign characters in your book. If that is the case, then you'll need to talk to someone else as I'm not an expert on character encoding. :) Okay, well, I intend to do just that, dive in with a book. Maybe it is overwhelming to some, but I have no trouble with typing. Besides which, I don't know how to make my scanner's text-recognition software run, so... I assume that (save typos) there will be less proofing required of a work which is typed as opposed to one which is scanned, anyway. You're probably right, because as you type, you will be proofing in a way. Also, just so you know, if you wanted to scan the book, you could send the image files of each page over the internet to someone else and they could run OCR software on them and send you back the output. Alternatively, if you don't mind parting with the books, you could mail them to DP headquarters where they would have their bindings chopped off and be fed into a high speed scanner with a sheet feeder. I'm not trying to discourage you from typing them if that is what you would like to do. I'm just making sure you are aware of the alternatives. If you would like to type them, then go for it! The effort will be greatly appreciated! One other place you might want to check before you start is the in-progress list. This is a list of all of the books which have been submitted for copyright clearance, even if they have never been completed. For example, I had a book I wanted to add to the collection not too long ago. I couldn't find it in the Gutenberg catalog, but I saw that someone had submitted it for copyright clearance a couple years ago. I contacted the copyright clearance folks, and they provided me with the persons e-mail address. When I e-mailed them, they didn't have the book and weren't working on it, but they were interested in helping me proof it. Anyway, it's always a good idea to check that list so you can be sure not to duplicate effort. You can find it at http://www.dprice48.freeserve.co.uk/GutIP.html I will look over what is there, but I doubt that I'll spend that much time at it. Thanks for the suggestion, though. Looking things over is a good idea. They have a few guides which talk about how to format things. They should be useful, even if you aren't working for DP directly. Anyway, good luck, and feel free to drop back in any time, especially when you would like someone to look over the final product of your labors to proof read and offer suggestions. Sincerely Aaron Cannon - -- E-mail: cannona@fireantproductions.com Skype: cannona MSN Messenger: cannona@hotmail.com (Do not send E-mail to the hotmail address.) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) - GPGrelay v0.959 Comment: Key available from all major key servers. iD8DBQFDQqzRI7J99hVZuJcRAmQqAKCrzsKl+EnvsKr6ed8GGKcCDmEpcACg0Jf3 E6+m5/SX8eS+2L28wpTkafk= =ziNR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

BunnyCAW@aol.com writes:
Okay, well, I intend to do just that, dive in with a book. Maybe it is overwhelming to some, but I have no trouble with typing. Besides which, I don't know how to make my scanner's text-recognition software run, so... I assume that (save typos) there will be less proofing required of a work which is typed as opposed to one which is scanned, anyway.
It's not clear to me that typing in a book requires less proofing than one that is scanned and OCRd, but it may require a different sort of proofing. However, if you find that you are running out of steam with retyping your books, I'd like to point out that Distributed Proofreaders (http://www.pgdp.net) also has an OCR pool, so that you can scan your books and let someone else do the OCR. Bruce
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Aaron Cannon
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Bruce Albrecht
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BunnyCAW@aol.com