jim said:

No, I mean I see an ePub book there because Steve Jobs among other people at Apple claims that the iPad supports ePub, and it doesn’t really.

blah blah blah. i'm done talking to you about this, jim.

No my problem is that I insist on a certain reader experience

i can relate to that. as i told you earlier, if you woulda said "i can't get the e-books that i want from the sites that i want in the format that i want", then you _might_ have received a sympathetic response. but instead, you said you couldn't get an e-book. that's false, so you get the scorn that people receive when they tell a lie...

you have lower expectations about what a “book” is than I have

i'm quite sure my ideal e-book surpasses an .epub in many ways. but i'm not foolish enough to think that my idea of an e-book is the only one that deserves to be called "an e-book", and that every other idea of an e-book can be discarded _by_definition_...

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that's a nice list; i applaud the thought that went into its creation. if the ipad comes up short of your expectations, just don't buy it... you might even tell us -- _once_ -- how it falls short via your list. but let me tell you a little something about listserve conversations; if they're not sufficiently interesting to the majority of the lurkers, then they aren't worth having. this conversation stopped being "sufficiently interesting" to them a long, long, long time ago. that's when you should have stopped. that's also when _i_ should've stopped, and michael too, and we both should know better than to make such a stupid mistake, but we'll both be smarter about having a dialog with you in the future. (i keep giving you "one more chance", and you keep blowing it, so i'm not going to be doing that any more, jim. you made your bed. now you're going to find that nobody wants to talk with you at all. worse, you might find nobody even bothers to _read_ your posts.)

well I guess I can read #32085 in pgtxt70 mode but I refuse to read “books” in pgtxt70 mode

i see. so it isn't that the ipad "refuses to display" this book, it's that _you_ refuse to read it the way the ipad displayed it. well, yes, then _that_ is a different matter entirely, yes it is...

And the book that I am currently working on for submission to PG.

am i some kind of mind-reader, or what?

Look its pretty simple: iPad is actually a PDF machine NOT an ePub machine in spite of Job’s claims to the contrary.

i think you're sputtering out of control, jim...

If you and Michael actually want to support iPad rather than claim it can do things that it can not do -- THEN SUPPORT IT!

the ipad doesn't need our support. and we're not "claiming" that it can do anything it can't. then again, neither are we claiming that it "cannot" do something -- like display an e-book -- just because it won't display it in the way we want in the app we want. in sum, just because i don't like the format of an e-book doesn't mean that it magically ceases to _be_ an e-book. and i can't believe that i am willing to make yet another message that repeats something so inane, and therefore contributes absolutely nothing to the signal/noise ratio. so i will stop! now! my apologies to the subscribers... -bowerbird